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Post by betty on Nov 28, 2015 6:18:24 GMT -8
I have a lovely pale Aa female (3 months) who I think is Polar Fox, but she is spotted and is a really really really pale biscuity-grey but creamy colour now. I usually breed the aa colours so am not entirely sure what combination she is.
She might just be a really pale spotted and that's that, but I can't seem to find an image that does her justice. Too dark here today for any decent shots of her since her recent moult, but I will get one next time I can.
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Nov 30, 2015 8:25:23 GMT -8
Chances are a spotted polar fox will look like a very, very pale Honey Cream. The fact that you still have gray left at all indicates to me that you have a self spot, either a spot silver nutmeg or a spot color point nutmeg. The reason you can't find a good picture of a spotted polar fox is because its a color that wouldn't really exist. You'd have a mottley black eyed cream.
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Post by betty on Nov 30, 2015 10:03:28 GMT -8
Interesting and thank you Moonstone - I was chasing up the wrong tree.
I have had plenty of Silver Nutmegs and a few CP Nutmegs, but they have never looked like this before - so I had assumed that this must be something on the A side due to the introduction of that gene? Perhaps it is the spotting that has thrown me as none of my Snuts of CPSnuts were spotted.
What would a spotted Silver Nutmeg look like - too pale again?
Hmm... I will start a fresh image search.
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Nov 30, 2015 12:38:42 GMT -8
Marked ee gerbils are very variable. Some can have virtually no ticking others are strongly ticked. Sometimes the base color is white, ivory, or cream. Your best bet is to post a pic and let me take a look.
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Post by betty on Dec 1, 2015 1:11:44 GMT -8
I am at home all today, so will give her the photo shoot of her life!
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Post by betty on Dec 1, 2015 12:45:20 GMT -8
Totally rubbish. It was so dark all day, and she was really skitty, then I ran out of time.... better ones will come, but this is the best I have at the moment - and it isn't really an award winner - but it should give you the gist of her. Got the tail and face - but toenails don't count as she is spotted of course...  Is there anything I could focus on in the next pictures to confirm things better? Apart from less blur of course... |
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Dec 2, 2015 8:30:26 GMT -8
She isn't a colorpoint. Has she molted fully yet?
I don't see any ticking, she may still be a spot polar fox... but I'm still more inclined to say she's a spot silver nutmeg... is ef? ch? or chm? floating around?
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Post by betty on Dec 2, 2015 14:39:52 GMT -8
She was born on the 24th August, so just over 14 weeks. She was a very pale white pup with dark ears so I initially thought she was colourpoint as her mum has a chm gene, but her dad is a very very ginger REH (slightly enhanced in my avatar image) so I wasn't sure.
I will have to check on the computer tomorrow for exact genes (mum spotted nutmeg, dad REH), but off the top of my head I don't think there is room for ch in the mix. There is no ef in my lines that has ever surfaced in all my ee breeding, but there is only a 2 generation history on the mums maternal line. Both parents carry uwd.
Update on genes and previous litters to follow after a good night's sleep...
Thanks.
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Post by betty on Dec 4, 2015 9:06:21 GMT -8
Ok - so we don't have any better images yet (hopefully Sunday) but here are the genes as far as I know from previous litters and direct family connections after vigorous examination: (I have simplified u(wd) to u for these examples) and the first one is based on 'must haves' so without proof to the contrary (for example no colourpoints in 2 litters doesn't mean the gene isn't there - the second gene list is most likely based on previous information. I was totally wrong about the mother carry a CP gene (was thinking of my other nutmeg mum) - she probably doesn't at all.
Dad - Aa C* ee pp Uu (Aa CC ee pp Uu)
Mum - aa C* e* Pp Uu (aa CC ee Pp Uu)
The reason I gave the mum the e* instead of ee is that I was speaking to her breeder and found a much longer history than I had thought and there was some dubiosity (if that is a word) about a gerbil 4 generations up on the maternal side who was a very weirdly dark, but fading ee gerbil (?) and some others in the same but distant lines from that same dark nutmeg that have potentially faded from gingers to white - but no exact records.
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Post by betty on Dec 17, 2015 9:09:35 GMT -8
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Post by Shooting Star on Jan 3, 2016 12:03:22 GMT -8
I see Spot PF.  |
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