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Post by kaliska on Dec 28, 2015 20:07:33 GMT -8
I'm not sure what these are. The breeder has burmese, siamese, nutmeg, silver nutmeg, slate, DEH, and grey agouti that have all been crossed. The parents were the same color and all we guessed at the time is that they were some type of colorpoint. Maybe cp nutmeg. The pups were white and both are now this dark nose, dark tail, and greyish color like the parents. I've been finding gerbils show up a bit browner in pics with my camera than they seem to be in person.
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Post by theia on Dec 29, 2015 7:19:52 GMT -8
The brown one at the back looks like it's probably a nutmeg (they tend to have dark/black patches above their nose) and the other one I'd guess at a spotted siamese?
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Post by kaliska on Dec 29, 2015 11:12:49 GMT -8
I know what the nutmeg is. A lot of the siamese pics look too dark but then there are some light ones. I'm not sure which are even accurate besides the limited ones on ags color strips and the gerbil color palette page.
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Post by Crystal on Dec 29, 2015 15:37:10 GMT -8
The spotted colorpoint appears to have 'nutmeg' ticking, though. Even the dark points appear like that of a nutmeg, and not smoothly... The points seem jagged, and have streaks of other colors coming in (the base coat+ticking?) I've had spotted siamese and they look nothing like this. Even the tail is oddly colored.
I do know that ee-coats can be effected quite easily, but not sure what's causing the appearance. Can you provide more photos of the one? When you brush through the spotted one's coat, what color are the roots? Is it just brown or lighter?
I'm more leaning on some sort of colorpoint nutmeg on the brown-spotted one. I had a similar case like this, but they were white with a tint of red-brown. Never found out what they were, some 10 years ago. Hopefully someone can officially identify what color that one is.
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Post by Crystal on Dec 29, 2015 15:47:19 GMT -8
Also, I went looking and found this page agsgerbils.org/Shows/virtual2007/colorpoints.php
I know it's not much, but looking at the colorpoint silver nutmeg who was last on the page, Or the colorpoint nutmeg placed 2nd on there. Both look a lil brown in the photos to me, haha.
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Post by kaliska on Dec 29, 2015 21:50:49 GMT -8
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Post by Crystal on Dec 30, 2015 9:48:26 GMT -8
I am sure that's a silver nutmeg or colorpoint silver nutmeg Let me search... --Here's Shooting Star's page on them, SS Silver NutmegI also see cp silver nutmeg on that page too. Comparing they look more like silver nutmegs to me, though. xD I think the forums are a little slow with the holidays and whatnot, but my guess is some sort of silver nutmeg.
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Post by kaliska on Dec 30, 2015 12:59:03 GMT -8
The plain silver pups look too dark to me. These were pure white until recently. Then they look a little dark compared to an adult cp silver nutmeg. The tail and nose especially but also a lot more body ticking. Maybe just cp nutmeg. That page doesn't have young cp nutmeg pups but a juvenile and an adult shootingstargerbils.com/colors/aaee.html
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Post by kaliska on Dec 30, 2015 13:21:39 GMT -8
Question I'll stick here... What do you get if you put cp on a DEH? The designated gene letters vary on sites but A-chmchmeeG-P- It's not really on the sites I use. There's is a light cp DEH which is pretty much white on one site and pretty dark cream on another site.
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Post by Crystal on Dec 31, 2015 11:00:58 GMT -8
I have a spotted light colorpoint nutmeg, but he is much too light compared to yours pictured above. Hm... Maybe just norm cp nutmeg then? (with spotting of course) I have seen cp nutmegs similar to yours posted so I guess it is cp nutmeg. xD I just havent had any other than the lightened version (ch) and spotted. Colorpoint DEH? It would be A- cbcb ee G- P- (I go by cb, hope that's okay, it's the same as chm to me) They're also known as black eyed white, but sometimes can have a tint of honey coloring like on the ears and tail. Not to be confused with schimmel adults though. cbcb would be the 'darker' version, cbch would be lightened and making it more white. Here is a nice guide by eGerbil www.egerbil.com/cpee.htmlIf you look at the photo gallery at the bottom, the very last section of cp ee gerbils is CP DEH. ee coats tend to very in shades though, when you mix in other traits like ch, spotting, etc.
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Post by Shooting Star on Jan 3, 2016 12:07:28 GMT -8
These are CP Nutmegs.
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Post by kaliska on Jan 8, 2016 2:19:04 GMT -8
Got distracted and didn't get back to this thread. This was called a honey cream which I gather from some sites is a cp DEH possibly light, possibly mottled depending where you are reading. I was wondering if he does have the same colorpoint genes.
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Post by Shooting Star on Jan 9, 2016 5:39:28 GMT -8
Honey Cream is a show designation, much like Silver Point. It's a lightened (Cc[h], Cc[chm], or ee[f]) DEH, or sometimes Nutmeg, with spotting. The genetic interactions give a full-body blend of "peaches and cream" coloration.
What you have there is a Mottled Nutmeg. It's possible he's lightened by colorpoint genes, but he doesn't fit the definition of a Honey Cream. (Honey Creams are not allowed to have ticking.)
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Post by kaliska on Jan 9, 2016 12:57:24 GMT -8
Is he ticked? I didn't see it but like I said my camera brings out brown and probably dark brown more than light. When I look in the room light I don't see the brown in the cp gerbils or as much brown in what is supposed to be a grey agouti as what the pictures showed.
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