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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 18, 2005 12:48:24 GMT -8
First, is there a difference between Ruby eyes, and Red eyes? I noticed that Sandy's saphire gerbil has "ruby" eyes, and she said that usually they look dark, but I have 2 gerbils that have red eyes. (you look at them and say, "oh, they have red eyes!" no doubt in it!) But I was wondering because I though a pup from the last litter had reddish eyes. They looked dark, but they always caught the light and looked reddish compared to her siblings. Now today I was taking pictures of my pups (1 month old tomorrow) and I noticed in one of the pictures that his eyes were red (because of the flash) but his siblings eyes were not. I'll get more shots of him.... but what's your guys' best guess?? ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/kristim822/Gerbils/877db27c.jpg) ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/kristim822/Gerbils/b59f7541.jpg) ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v675/kristim822/Gerbils/babygerbies.jpg) SURE, his eyes stay darker in the shots I took of JUST him, but they even look different. There's like a little slit in his eyes, and it's red underneath. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by sandy on Mar 18, 2005 13:00:34 GMT -8
Is his tail darker than the rest of him? Do his ears have dark tips? If so, and he has dark eyes, he's a Siamese. Siamese have a colourpoint gene that makes them have red pupils in their dark eyes, you can see it in flash. Other colours of gerbils have eyes like that as well, like Slate and Grey Agouti.
If you look below at the gerbils in my signature, there's another picture of my Sapphire gerbil, and it shows how red the ruby eyes can look from different angles.
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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 18, 2005 18:44:37 GMT -8
OH! That's her? Her eyes are so red!
Keebler is Siamese, a little dark, but I"m pretty sure he's NOT burmese, though he did have a burmese pup in the 1st litter.
This pup does have a darker tail than his body, but his ears arent.
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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 30, 2005 10:32:42 GMT -8
I'm still wondering! Ok, Sandy helped me out with the whole pupil thing, but is there a difference between red and ruby eyes? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by sandy on Mar 30, 2005 11:49:17 GMT -8
Um, here are pictures: A Pink Eyed White: this is lighter than Ruby/Red: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/snowy12.jpg) A Ruby (also called Red) Eye in an Ivory Cream/Apricot gerbil: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/mrsblacksangela.jpg) A red pupil in a Dark eye, as seen in gerbils that carry gg or c(b)c(b)/c(h) (the eye is markedly lighter than a dark eye, you can even see it in newborns): ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/victoria.jpg) Finally, dark eyes: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/gumbaface.jpg)
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Post by RitzieAnn on Apr 1, 2005 13:38:02 GMT -8
Hum..... cool! So there is a difference... that's kinnda neat! One more thing Sandy, I was wondering if youu had pictures of my little gerbils family. I've seen Thurston, her momm's dad. But what about Jasper? (and I'm not at home right now, so I don't recall the names of the other gerbils in her familly)
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Post by sandy on Apr 2, 2005 13:15:04 GMT -8
OK, sure. She's out of Cheam's Caledonia, and Cheam's Jasper. Caledonia's parents were Thurston and Cascadia. Jasper's parents were Fraser and Angela. Here's your Light Colourpoint Agouti pup: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/lcpt5wks.jpg) Her mom and dad, Jasper (Agouti) and Caledonia (Colourpoint Agouti): ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/jasncal7.jpg) Paternal grandparents, Fraser (Pied Agouti) and Angela (possibly Pied Ivory Cream): ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/angela3.jpg) Maternal grandparents, Thurston (Black) and Cascadia (Spotted Agouti): ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/thurston7.jpg) ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/casc3.jpg)
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Post by RitzieAnn on Apr 2, 2005 13:28:12 GMT -8
I love my little Kandice! I'm sooo glad we waited a full hr for you! ;D I think it was well worth it! I think Angela is pretty. You're not sure if she's an Ivory cream? Do you have more picture of her?
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Post by sandy on Apr 3, 2005 23:12:03 GMT -8
Angela is a Kindergarten classroom gerbil that I looked after last summer. As you can see she lost half her tail in the line of duty. In the time I had her I bred two litters from her, fostering them onto other moms so I could fit them in in the two months I had her! Her unique colouration really caught my eye. She looked like an opal--she was white but had very faint peach and grey undertones in the fur. When I photographed her I could see she was heavily pied as well. She proved to carry the Himalayan gene, and that's how that gene came into my gerbilry. Many of my best breeders are from those two litters she had last summer. I'm still not sure what she was. I've bred some of her pups together to try to find out, but nothing more exotic than white has come up. From her colouration alone I would have called her a Pied Light Apricot. I really don't know for sure. Some other pics: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/mrsblacksangela.jpg) In this picture you can see that she's actually not a white gerbil at all: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/angela4.jpg)
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Post by callimico on Apr 4, 2005 10:45:09 GMT -8
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Post by sweetie on Apr 4, 2005 17:59:41 GMT -8
Cal, Excellent info and pictures. Thanks!
Sandy, Thanks for the info. You are very knowledgable about genetics.
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Post by sandy on Apr 6, 2005 10:17:49 GMT -8
Raven, no, she did not look like a pied dove. She was not grey. She was white! It was only when I photographed her that some colour showed up in the pictures, and the colour was a very pale peachy off-white.
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Post by sandy on Apr 6, 2005 13:54:01 GMT -8
My dark lilac's eyes are even darker ruby, and so are his siblings. ooking at the pictures again today, I noticed that all the intensely coloured pups off this pair have a very dark ruby eye surrounded by what appears to be black or dark brown: This pup's head, close up: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/ruby.jpg) His brother, my Fiero, look just at the eye: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/fiero2.jpg) The sister, Osoyoos, a dark lilac pied/mottled: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/chrisandra/osoyfront.jpg)
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Post by sweetie on Apr 6, 2005 15:39:24 GMT -8
Great close ups Sandy! You can really see the colors!
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Post by RitzieAnn on Apr 7, 2005 7:58:12 GMT -8
Hey Sandy! Kandice is starting to get some color tickings! Her rump is getting darker (the part between her hips, but just that part) and her cheeks are turning peachy!!! She's still a cutie!
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