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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 14, 2006 13:03:37 GMT -8
What is this? Someone told me i cant breed 2 spotted gerbils.
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Post by ashgerbil on Jan 14, 2006 13:13:31 GMT -8
well, if you breed 2 spotted gerbils 1/4 of the litter shall be 'unviable'. this means that the unviable pups are absorbed into the womb and are never born. BUT this does not mean that the litter will be smaller, because it is now proven that the unviable pups that have been absorbed, are replaced by pups which are viable ;D here's a link... www.gerbils.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gerbils/applied.htm#Markedscroll down and you'll see a table for spottedXspotted ;D so, there is no problem with breeding 2 spotted gerbils at all!
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Post by doomgerbiluk on Jan 14, 2006 14:53:36 GMT -8
Agreed. I happily breed SpxSp pairs and have no reduction in litter sizes (in fact quite the opposite). Warning though, there have been cases of stillborn pups in SpxSp litter. These pups seem to be excess (ie I had a litter of 11 of which 3 where stillborn). These stillborn pups are not fully developed and lack all pigmentation. They are not common but I have only heard of them or seen them in SpxSp litters and obviously they can be upsetting.
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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 14, 2006 15:37:38 GMT -8
oh i get it thanks everyone. im suppose to be getting a spotted pie gerbil a female she is really pretty ill show you a pic of her. she is the first one on hte left. IM SO EXCITED !!! lol NOTE: i tried to show her picture and it never came up im gonna post it as a URL. i13.photobucket.com/albums/a280/moon_of_winds16/gerbils.jpg
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Post by whitmoregirl on Jan 14, 2006 16:09:57 GMT -8
Not "spotted pie" She's a Pied Black, very pretty. If you look at her family, she may have some recessives (agouti, black and nutmeg)
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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 14, 2006 16:14:26 GMT -8
Oh im sorry. So she is pied black. ok . i have another question whitmoregirl. how can you tell that she has those recessives genes or you guessing them?? just asking
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Post by whitmoregirl on Jan 14, 2006 16:29:23 GMT -8
I'm guessing them mainly - she *could* be carrying them *but* her mate will need to carry the matching genes to have pups like the nutmeg for example. Are you getting her from a breeder? If so ask to see the parents (or at least a photo of the parents)
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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 14, 2006 16:44:57 GMT -8
yes im getting her from a breeder. ok ill do that and post it here
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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 14, 2006 18:15:33 GMT -8
ok i got a pic of the babies parents. dad is a tuxedo black, mom is a light dark eyed honey pied. the lady wants me to take the tuxedo sibling to the pied black im gonna take but im not going to. because doesnt it cause mutuation? i emailed things that squeak and i asked her what other young males she has but she said something about a spotted dove about 3 to 4 mos. old. so i dont know. here is the pic. i13.photobucket.com/albums/a280/moon_of_winds16/100_2249Largee-mailview.jpg
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Post by doomgerbiluk on Jan 15, 2006 2:03:11 GMT -8
Breeding siblings (inbreeding) is unwise. The chances of mutations are increased, the offspring are likely to be less healthy and the number of pups is decreased. The decrease in general health and number of offspring is called loss of vigour. In gerbils inbreeding is less risky than in some species but it should still only be done by experienced breeders trying to 'fix' particular traits. I am surprised the breeder is encouragng the practice and agree that getting your animals from different breeders is wise as you will have 'hybrid vigour', ie by breeding unrelated gerbils you have a good chance of strong, healthy offspring as you will not be doubling up family genes.
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Post by whitmoregirl on Jan 15, 2006 3:48:34 GMT -8
Yup yup, Doom is right.
Try to find a Dark Eyed Honey from another breeder - the genes will match any recessives your girl will carry and you may get DEHs, Nutmegs, etc.
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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 15, 2006 8:57:30 GMT -8
They people that im getting her from have already 2 litters. It kind of strikes me that they really didnt wanted to breed if she is wanting me to take another one. Im againest inbreeding too. would you guys want to read the emails she sent me and i sent her.
whitmoregirl, thank you ill try to find one. thanks again guys
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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 15, 2006 13:06:50 GMT -8
what about a siamese with a black pied?? or is that a no
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Post by whitmoregirl on Jan 15, 2006 13:29:07 GMT -8
You will get 100% black if there are no recessives (says the genetic caluculator)
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Post by ashleyrenee on Jan 15, 2006 14:38:20 GMT -8
what if there are recessive genes? then what?
what happens if i breed a yellow fox with a black pied?
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