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Post by Markpd on Feb 13, 2021 8:40:02 GMT -8
Ok, no worries, thanks for the reply anyway . In the exceptional aforementioned case: my granddaughter and I had three well-seasoned sibling matriarchs who would absolutely have nothing to do with reclanning after living together 3-5 years. Any specific details on this trio?
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Post by michaeljack on Feb 14, 2021 10:06:15 GMT -8
Ok, no worries, thanks for the reply anyway . In the exceptional aforementioned case: my granddaughter and I had three well-seasoned sibling matriarchs who would absolutely have nothing to do with reclanning after living together 3-5 years.
Any specific details on this trio? 1 black and 2 agoutis, sisters with black brother, family background unknown, acquired in summer 2015 and unmonitored for data. They were my granddaughter's pets, and all sporadically produced few babies - black, agouti, and one surprise: lilac. Since they nested together, I never ascertained which produced what colors. I removed the brother in 2019, and the ladies lived on together until they died months apart in 2019 and 2020.
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Post by Markpd on Feb 14, 2021 11:56:30 GMT -8
Wow the sisters lived to a good age! Doesn't inbreeding cause problems with some pups?
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Post by michaeljack on Feb 14, 2021 12:51:46 GMT -8
Wow the sisters lived to a good age! Doesn't inbreeding cause problems with some pups? I kept the lilac (actually my wife adopted her), and she's smaller than typical. My granddaughter kept a black daughter that seemed normal (and I later bred her to a BEH). All have grown well and healthy.
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Post by Markpd on Apr 5, 2021 5:42:10 GMT -8
Bump
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Post by londongerbils on Apr 5, 2021 6:44:13 GMT -8
This is really interesting, can’t believe I missed this.
Clan size: 2 Whether related (and how) or not: Not sure but I don’t think so Gender(s): female Age at beginning of clan: adopted so not sure but approximately 6 months Age at end of clan: one died at about a year old. No de clan. Cage size: initially H44 x W44 x D27cm then I think they moved to a much larger tank I still have now, 90 x 45 x 45cm, but not certain
Clan size: 2 Related: no Gender: female Age at beginning: 1 year old / 2-3 months old Age at end: older female died aged 2. No de clan Cage size: 90 x 45 x 45cm tank
Clan size: 2 Related: no Genders: female/neutered male Age at beginning: 1 year old female/ male 2 years old Age at end: male died aged nearly 3. No de clan Cage size: 90 x 45 x 45cm tank
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Post by Markpd on Apr 5, 2021 11:16:25 GMT -8
Thanks for the info londongerbils
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Post by tanzanyte on Apr 14, 2021 14:00:30 GMT -8
It's actually nice to see that there really are lots of happy gerbil clans
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Apr 14, 2021 14:11:29 GMT -8
It's actually nice to see that there really are lots of happy gerbil clans It really is. There are enough horrific declan threads that I think a lot of people are put off getting even a pair of gerbils. My rough count of results of the thread so far gives: - 17+ pairs with no declans - 4 trios with 3 declans - 1 group of four which did declan - 1 group of six which did declan - 1 group of eight which did declan So very good news for pairs but not so much for groups...
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Post by betty on Apr 14, 2021 14:48:11 GMT -8
Yes, that is a very clear divide there for pairs to groups - although you don't say whether all those groups were siblings or what types of splits they were?
Also, were all the clans one sex or were some male and some female?
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Apr 14, 2021 15:08:20 GMT -8
No, it's only a rough count so it only takes into account numbers. Looking back at the thread again, the groups of 4 and 8 were unrelated males. The group of 6 was a mother and daughters. The 3 trios which declanned were all males, two trios not all related and one trio probably all related. The trio that did not declan was a mother and two daughters. The pairs are a mix of male and female, including one female/neutered male pair, and a mix of related and unrelated.
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Post by Thea on Apr 15, 2021 1:10:03 GMT -8
I'm sorry I never did this! I must admit my care wasn't very good at all near the start, or even until near the end of Storme's life, so I'm sorry about that. Clan size: 3 Related or not: Unsure, from pet shop Gender(s): Male Age at the beginning: Around 2 months Age at the end: All died 1-2 months after turning 3, no declan Cage size: Same as LilyandDaisy's first - so it must have been 52x26x25 cm (was told it was suitable size, I didn't know back then!) Clan size: 2 Related or not: Unsure, from pet shop, I think so though because the pet shop were very passionate about gerbils and cared for them a lot. I would think they were sisters. Gender(s): Female Age at the beginning: Around 4 months Age at the end: First girl passed at 21 months because of an internal mass, no declan. Cage size: Most of their life in the same as my boys, and then moved to a 20 gallon in the summer. I've only had my current girls for 2 and a half months so can't say much, but they're in an Ikea detolf and doing well so far
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Post by Markpd on Apr 15, 2021 11:56:54 GMT -8
It's actually nice to see that there really are lots of happy gerbil clans It really is. There are enough horrific declan threads that I think a lot of people are put off getting even a pair of gerbils. My rough count of results of the thread so far gives: - 17+ pairs with no declans - 4 trios with 3 declans - 1 group of four which did declan - 1 group of six which did declan - 1 group of eight which did declan So very good news for pairs but not so much for groups... Thanks for the rough tally up and follow up analysis , I was thinking it'd be worth doing that now, but you've saved me the trouble Thea Thanks for the info, it seems your the 1st to post to here with a trio that didn't declan My previous gerbils were in the Rotastak, even with Blacky being in a 5 unit stack and being on his own (I didn't know then!), seeing my boys in their now, they look positively crammed in their! Blake and Avon like to visit it though! Adding to Lilyanddaisy's tally - 18+ pairs with no declans - 5 trios with 3 declans - 1 group of four which did declan - 1 group of six which did declan - 1 group of eight which did declan
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Post by Markpd on Apr 16, 2021 11:23:53 GMT -8
As for me - age at end of clan - I could probably look this up for most of them if I have a spare few hours - and edit it in to my original post - but you will need to gently remind me every few weeks incase it slips my mind. It will quite a task. ...... A much belated reminder Maybe you could just add a couple at a time so as not to take a large amount of your time in 1 go?
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Post by betty on Apr 16, 2021 14:05:53 GMT -8
Thanks - I will pop it in my diary for tomorrow...
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