Hiya I have a new breeding pair which I had for a month and they got a healthy 6 newborn pups yesterday. I want to mark the colours right to the new homes I have lined up when the mum was pregnant.
The male I was told was a sapphire, is this correct? He is a pied (you can't see the white here as it is hard to see) but he has red eyes and is darker than the white belly underneath. Here are the photos I have got of him
The female is very confused about what she is. I was told she was a honey cream or honey. But I looked at the photos and she was too dark for cream. Could she have any chance to be a topaz or argente? In the litter there was a colour point (I am not sure on the parents as I couldn't see them due to covid regulations on entering the house. She is of course spotted as well. She got red eyes as well. Here are the photos of her
This litter I see all pups are bright pink with some darker pink (so I don't believe they are PEW, but too early to tell) and have red eyes
What colours are my breeding pairs and colours they will throw (I am not bothered too much, I just want to tell the new owners) also I am curious as I never had these coat colours before
I usually had white, black, agouti and colour pointed gerbils in the passed
I am rubbish at pictures - but my guess would be Sapphire or Dove for the male and a Red-Eyed Honey for the female (only because there look like white eye rings and high white on her sides (argentes have very low white and no eye ring). Argentes also have silver fur underneath the ginger - so running the fur the wrong way will show you for sure.
And the Honey Cream is just a weird spotted Honey so genetically they are the same either way.
As they both have red eyes - whatever colour they are all their pups will also have red eyes. So from this you can work out all the red-eye colours at least as a starting point.
If they ARE Sapphire/Dove and REH - then you will certainly get some Argentes (A. Golden/A.Fawn(Topaz)/A.Cream) - maybe the whole litter? If the mum has an 'a' gene - then also more silvers (Lilac and Sapphire/Dove).
If there was a CP sibling in the females parents - then she may have at least one cp gene too - so add that to the males CP gene and you could get PEWs too.
If you are super lucky and the male also carries an 'e' - then you may get more REHs and Saffrons.
Post by moondancer on Jul 11, 2021 12:41:09 GMT -8
They are 3 days old today.
Had a sbeak peak while the female was eating the treats (didn't touch) all six still there, everyone getting big. One I saw is getting a darker colour and I can see his spotted makings. Three are still very bright pink. The other two mot sure as they were under out of sight.
She moved them to be with the dad now and he happy looking after them.
Hoping there be some gingers too, but I don't mind. I am so please with this pairing. Two females I have homes for (that's if there are girls) but anyway I keep here with me. I am super picky where my babies go, I have got more tanks on the way to accommodate my super cute babies
PEWs are still white up to 8/9 days when all the others have coloured up - but the greys are only just coming in by then. I have Burmese/CP Slates loking dark by Day 3 - but with pink eyes I am struggling to think what color would come in as early as 3 days.
I am trying to find a dated ginger pup to see the age of ginger.
Edit: Found some Sapphires still looking totally white at 7 days:
I had PEWS before, and white fur was coming in I think when 9days. I did read that sapphires can take a while to show colour. I love all the colours, can't wait too see they stunning colours to come. Two are very big like hippos already. Had a fight this afternoon as I only counted five, she only moved one away from the main nest and nursing it there. I never had female doing that before. She only now allowing the male to help her and he was keeping the five warm. They all back together now.
The gingers are more likely to be Argente/spotted Argente than Honeys - but it isn't impossible for REHs/Saffrons.
And I was just re-reading about Honey Creams and I am not sure now what their true genetics are. I was always led to believe that they were the same as any eeUw but with a tweak on the spotting gene that made them near white as pups but which gingered out as adults. But I found a site today that said that they were ch carrying spotted eeUws.
I never had ch in the lines that gave me my honey creams so this has no confused me greatly. I will need to read into it more. Hmm?
And there is no need to be shocked about the solids - it is totally normal to get solids in a spotted to spotted pairing. In fact only 2/3 of the live pups are usually spotted in such a pairing. Spotting might be a dominant gene - but parents can only carry one copy of it - so there are always pups without it.