What color is this “cream/ivory” gerbil?

[Crystal]

Hello, Long time No see!

I retired breeding in 2018 for multiple factors*, but I am hoping to start anew in the near future.

I’ve always put Health, Happiness, Temperament, and Tameness (human socialized) as top Priority when it came to breeding.
Fur coat/colors have been a second priority to me, but for those who know my history will know that my biggest dream goal was to someday ‘implement’ or produce my very own “uwduwd” (or what used to be called gg).

(*One reason is due to my stage four incurable and crippling disease;
I’m no longer able to work, therefore do not have an income (I’m being supported by family), which means I cannot afford to adopt gerbils shipped out of state in order to achieve an uwduwd breeding pair)

Recently I have come across a breeder nearby (for the first time in eons lol),
One who happens to have this Male Gerbil pictured within this post.



Although I *do* have experience and knowledge of gerbil genes,
I’m unsure what kind of color this fella might be. Those appear to be siblings that are in the photo with him, but that’s all I have to go on (no genes/parents to provide more possible information).

Anyone kind enough to offer an opinion?
Hopefully the photos didn’t turn into blurry jpg or are too big, apologies in advance >.<;

[Markpd]

Afraid I can't help you, just wanted to say welcome back to the forums, good to see an old* member returning 

Picture size is fine by me, but then I have 200 Mbps internet .

Is it just me, or does that Gerbil with arrow pointing to it have the same sort of tail tuft as your old gerbil Diamond did in an earlier thread?

*I don't mean your age of course!

[Crystal]

Ah, No problem! And thank you, I do appreciate the welcome back- As well as getting to meet you (or at least I don’t recall ever doing so beforehand, in that case I apologize! but nevertheless… ).

I’m surprised you caught that little tail tuft detail, though.
Diamond in the Rough (was his full name) had such a beautiful coat and his lovely tail was my pride & joy, too.
Was a shame to cease that 12 generation family tree… but my line sadly got hit by a hidden illness that compromised the entire lineage genetically.
Did the right thing by letting that line die out (through natural course by passing away due to old age)…
I’ve been without gerbies since 2021 and miss them terribly.

Which brings me back to topic;
Hoping this cream colored Male can help kickstart a new generation
As much as I would love to work my way towards producing Polar Fox (it’s my favorite) right away, I am not so fond of line-breeding just to give the recessive uwd gene a boost towards colors I’d like. Arizona is practically extinct of all gerbils lol, whatever rare listings I do find are the usual common/dominant colors, so it’s not very simple to just go about mixing 2-4 uwd uwd gerbils for me…

Hope no one minds me rambling a bit
The treatment I’m on for my complex health tends to make me talk/write too much, but I try my best to remain on topic 👍

[Markpd]

Not an excessively long post at all

And yes I'm new here since you were last on.
I spotted the tail detail as I was curious as to when you were last on, so I checked out your last couple of threads back then. I see you spoke to betty back then, she's still about and I expect will answer you soon .
Shame about the tuft tail line being hit by an illness

[Crystal]

Good to hear I’m just very passionate towards Everything Gerbil, so I tend to trail off a bit.
… I also say sorry a lot because of having social anxiety+ptsd ^_^;
It’s not an insincere apology- I grew up around a lot of hostility and get easily skittish and fear I may be a bother to someone.

My early days on this forum there were a few, uh, well let’s just say difficult members
So, I try to tiptoe and triple check my writing before sending xD

I still would love to help out gerbil-enthusiasts when ever and how ever I can.
But it’s true, I felt ashamed and awful after some 15yrs my gerbil kennel fell to an unknown illness after I strive so hard to ensure the health and safety of any gerbil under my care. Then again, it did not help that a former friend tried to knock me down because of envy and jealousy issues
That person made multiple attempts to ruin my reputation and at one point I truly believed I was a ‘bad owner’.

It took me a few years to stand up for myself and I know I do not have to prove myself to anyone…
I know I only try to do what is right and the fact I am responsible and making efforts is enough for me (so that others’ cannot bring me down).

I’m looking forward to this come back and hope to remain active here.
I may not have any gerbils at the moment (trying to work on that but no rush!),
But I have always been happy to spread my wisdom and help others where applicable


… In regards to this thread;
I actually saw that Shooting Star Gerbils has a Facebook group for gerbil genetics, identifying colors, predictions, sharing lovely gerbil photos, and whatnot.
Right away I joined and went ahead to ask about this Male and share the photos of him in hopes of determining his fur color/opinions/possible colors in what he could be.
Got plenty of responses (I’m just having a hard time dealing with social anxiety so I have not yet replied to their comments)…

So far majority are thinking at least for sure he is uw(d) uw(d) and pp genes.
Possible colors include White bellied cream/Ivory, Red eyed Silver Nutmeg, and Apricot/Red eyed Polar Fox.

If he is any of those, then i am incredibly excited and will go through with adopting him.
Polar fox is one of my top favorites and it’s been a dream goal to someday produce ee+uw(d) uw(d) colors.

In 2003 I came across a beautiful Light Colorpoint Grey Agouti (cchm cchm/cbcb) in a pet shop and to me, uw(d) is extremely rare on my side of the US.
I had zero breeders in my state at that time so I carefully selected only healthy gerbils from stores.
And since uw(d) is so rare in my area, I took her home and later bred her to my stunning pied light nutmeg (Cch).
I’m not sure my nutmeg was carrying uw(d) but their litter consisted of nutmeg, siamese, I *think* colorpoint slate, and I think colorpoint golden agouti (might have been colorpoint dark eyed honey). I had left on vacation and had someone in charge of the pets in our household and I came back to their dog had somehow got into my gerbil room and killed the colorpoint grey agouti. It was a harsh year for me that I took a hiatus from 2003 to 2005.
Wish I had kept that line alive, but life was different way back then and it just was not good timing to breed.

After seeing/having that one and only colorpoint grey agouti, I made a vow to work my way to ‘revive’ a uw(d) line in my kennel and let it be known that my specialty is within the ee+uw(d) variety Greys and Cream/Peach of all colors are so fascinating.

[betty]

Did you go ahead and get him to get yourself started up again with that mystery fella?


And write as much as you like on your posts - have as many asides as you like - I always like to read someone else's musings if I have some time on my hands...