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Post by tirilliel on May 27, 2005 4:35:02 GMT -8
"Each user can have their own karma, which other users can praise or smite a user to increase or decrease the users karma. You can Exalt or Smite another member. Once you click on which ever link it'll take you back to their profile with their Karma having either +1 or -1.
Exalt To glorify, praise, or honor a member. The Karma of that certain member will get +1!
Smite To let a member know that you are offended or flamed or attacked unrightfully in their posts! That the member is not following the rules, etc. The Karma of that certain member will get -1!"
Im not sure this is a very good idea..
The reason I say this is because I personally feel that if there are any members on a forum that are causing trouble then they should be dealt with by the administrator of the forum, not by the general public who post here. I think this system is also unfair in the way that people can make judgments about you not totally understanding for one thing, the person you are, or why you might have posted what you did in the first place that was taken offensively.
Another reason why Im not very fond of this idea is because people cant hear words, they cant hear whether something is said truthfully or sarcastic or angry ect, unless of course they post a bunch of smiles to convey their emotional state at the time.
I think this system will automatically have others place false judgments and personas on others before getting to know them themselves. For example.. I made a post here on the forum ranting about how I wasnt happy with general cage sized standards.. People had reported me apparently and I was accused for flaming and my topic was even locked until I contacted the administrator who felt I wasn’t doing anything wrong and then unlocked my thread.
Normally I am a well-behaved forum member and although I can be opinionated I am also respectful. Had this Karma feature been active then I probably would have had a -1 to -10 ( if it goes that low lol) And from then on id be judged because of one thread that some people took personal offence to?
Do you see what Im saying? And how many people are going to remember to give a +1 for good karma, or give good karma to someone that already had a -1 bad karma.. its alienation I think..
What does everyone esle think?
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Post by mice on May 27, 2005 4:39:39 GMT -8
I'm not sure the admin team really had a choice in the matter, it's just one of the new features, in which case there probably isn't a lot that can be done with it.
In my expirence nobody really gives a monkeys about these Karma things anyway and nobdoy really ever takes it too seriously, infact I think people had competitions to see who could get the lowest Karma ;D.
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Post by tirilliel on May 27, 2005 5:24:50 GMT -8
I see, Lol.. well it was just a concern of mine. I of course dont want to be judged becasue someone esle had a problem with me and gave me a bad karma... I like PHPbb forums, when you upgrade you have to choice in what features you want to use That would drive me nuts as the admin having to upgrade but not having controll over its features.. and I feel bad for all the kids that got kicked off becasue they are under 13 years old
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on May 27, 2005 7:56:34 GMT -8
It is a optional feature! And I have control over it! I do like to get you opinions on this! It is just for fun and you can let other members know when you don't like their way of posting, without posting complaints intoa thread. I will see how it goes, and I can always remove it when it goes wrong! I know some like it!
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Post by tirilliel on May 27, 2005 8:50:06 GMT -8
It is a optional feature! And I have control over it! I do like to get you opinions on this! It is just for fun and you can let other members know when you don't like their way of posting, without posting complaints intoa thread. I will see how it goes, and I can always remove it when it goes wrong! I know some like it! I personally dont really see why its necessary or "fun" and isnt that like an oxymoron saying its a "fun" way to let people know when you dont like their way of posting? Maybe its fun for the person giving them the bad karma, but im sure its not very fun receiving it!?? Does that make any sense at all? People might abuse this feature and if there is an issue with someone about a post or thread then wouldnt it be more appropriate for them to PM that individual and politely let them know whats bothering them? How is giving someone bad karma going top help fix the problem? It would be better if the person was simply reported and talked to, or if the person that had the problem contact the other and explain to them what they said that was offensive, how is one to know what they are doing wrong when people simply just give them a karma rating? If you make a poll on this then Ill vote and my Vote is against this idea. I just don’t think its needed and its only going to cause people to resent other users ect..
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on May 27, 2005 9:04:11 GMT -8
Other forums have this feature already a bit longer, and there it works fine and members seem to like it. Some users tend to post in such a way that other can be offended, or don't like the way of posting! The one directed too can than change their way of posting, more diplomatic maybe. And it is always nice to get possitive karma! That is certainly "fun". I gues you are scared that they will give you a bad karma, after the last incident with cage sizes. That doens't have to happen again. Don't see it as a big deal, just as a fun feature! And don't be offended when you might have -1 karma or something! But when members are starting to abbuse this feature I can always remove it! And if members have problems with it, they can always contact me! I and the moderators can always intervene. So we are going to try this out, and just see how it goes.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on May 27, 2005 9:25:53 GMT -8
Tirilliel, I'm still learning about all the new (admin) features. And I can assure you that the karma feature cannot be abbused! Why? Because I as administrator can see who is exalting or smiting who! If someone is attacking someone, I can see that and see who that is! This member can than be warned and if they not stop banned.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on May 27, 2005 9:27:09 GMT -8
One of the new admin features is the security log! This makes it very easy for me to see what is happening on the forum!
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Post by tirilliel on May 27, 2005 9:40:23 GMT -8
Tirilliel, I'm still learning about all the new (admin) features. And I can assure you that the karma feature cannot be abbused! Why? Because I as administrator can see who is exalting or smiting who! If someone is attacking someone, I can see that and see who that is! This member can than be warned and if they not stop banned. Well thats certainly good to know I dont know what the admin area looks like for this kind of forum. But I do know there are allot more features behind the scenes that people dont know about, such as security, seeing peoples IP location, user info, where they have been on the foumr ect and all thats good stuff, I know this because I run a forum on hamster central, but thats a phpbb forum. I could probably get a feature such as "karma" But I wouldnt bother with it. I guess it cant hurt to try it Question though.. if someone happens to give you a bad karma, can it be taken away by getting good karma from other people?
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Post by mice on May 27, 2005 9:56:18 GMT -8
I think so, if someone gave you a bad karma you'd go down to -1 but then if you got a good karma you'd go up to 0 then another good karma would take you up to +1 etc. Hehe, if anyone gets down to -1 couldn't they give themselves a few good karma votes?
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on May 27, 2005 10:03:41 GMT -8
The admin area is big! After the new update I can do alot more that I could previously! I can indeed do the things you have mentioned in you post! I can even ban guests! So also non-members are controlled. And yes, a bad karma, can indeed be taken away by getting good karma from other people! But it is not possible to give youself a good or bad karma!
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Post by gerbil on May 27, 2005 18:42:39 GMT -8
That karma thing seems fun! It'll probably keep everyone on the forum to be nice to eachother! Yay!
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Post by tirilliel on Jun 16, 2005 8:53:11 GMT -8
I was doing good, Im pretty sure I was at five good karmas, now Im down to four and I cant fathom why? See I wish people had to comment why they added one or took one away before they could Exalt or Smite
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Post by RyanF on Jun 16, 2005 9:15:47 GMT -8
I think the member should be able to see who exalted/smit them..
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jun 17, 2005 0:18:37 GMT -8
I can see who has done that.
But I'm thinking of making a poll to see if members want to keep the karma feature or not!
Peter
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