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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jun 30, 2005 6:10:11 GMT -8
I hardly consider it a welcome. Sorry that you feel this way! Should I have welcomed you differently I don't see why you have to feel so being attack or so angry! And nobody is judgemental towards you, so I don't know why you say that! Who is in your opinion? The ones who were, only saw the photo and did not know the story or that it came from you. When they did find out the true story behind the photo nobody was judgemental. Everyone is saying you're right! Even Callimico appologized for doing it. She should indeed have read it all, but people can make mistakes. You and others have explained well what was really the case, so I don't see the problem. If you want the photo to be removed, just say so, than I will remove it of course. But your free bandwidth in your PhotoBucket account has a limit of 0.49 Mb. You need to have a lot of visitors to reach the limit. Anyway, it is your choise if you want to be here or not. Personally I think you would be here a viable member, who could help a lot of the members and gerbil loving guests here form all over the world.
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Post by abbey on Jun 30, 2005 6:18:31 GMT -8
I wasn't referring to you.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jun 30, 2005 6:22:06 GMT -8
OK thanks, I was wondering if I had done something wrong (English is not my native language).
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Post by southcore on Jun 30, 2005 6:40:52 GMT -8
I'm sorry if you felt personally attacked, but you have to look at it the way that I, and other saw it. That one picture, there has already been a discusion about the "cup method" and they look slammed up against the side of that container. We had no way of knowing there were any other pictures nor a story to go along with that. Surely you can think of how you'd react if you saw 8 gerbils squashed up against the side of a container, and were told it was someone using the small space method. It looks cruel whether or not those gerbils did that themselves. There was really no need to come on here attacking people just to defend you name. You could have simply told the story, showed us the other pictures and explained that those gerbils crowded themselves. No one was attacking you personally b/c no one knew who the heck you were. I commented that it looked cruel, and that I didn't know why anyone would do it instead of just taking one of the larger group and pairing it off. Once it was explained by another member of the forum, i understood and that was no problem till you came on here all bent out of shape. There was no need to call coming to this forum "slumming it" and there was no need to get all bent out of shape. You have to realize that by getting bent out of shape, you probably made people think less of you than they did prior to the act.
All i'm saying is, noone meant anything personal by anything said, just try putting yourself in our shoes seeing only one picture of a large group of gerbils seemingly smashed up against the wall of some "small container" with no explaination other than it was the smalle space method. If you do i think you'll realize you would have been angry too, until, like myself things were explained more clearly.
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Post by abbey on Jun 30, 2005 6:51:48 GMT -8
I never said I felt persoanlly attacked. I was angry that 1st of all my picture was taken without my permission when I go to a site that C. does, she could easily have pmed and asked.
And yes I can understand where you came from but I personally would always ask for the source of pictures before making a judgement, like the site or forum where it was originally obtained from.
''You could have simply told the story, showed us the other pictures and explained that those gerbils crowded themselves.'' That is what I did.
I frankly couldn't care less what any of you think of me, but question my husbandry and care for animals and I will come guns blazing.
I would also like to know callimico, why were my pictures sent to you? I have a right to know.
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Post by southcore on Jun 30, 2005 6:58:11 GMT -8
I should have read the full post, I'm sorry Doom & whitmoregirl- the link was emailed to me by someone who adopted a pair of my pups and I copied the pic without reading the explanation, just the thread title. Thank you for correcting me, I'll erase the post and not assume circumstances before understanding the situation. You can't completely fault her for coming out guns blazing either. She saw that picture and keyed in on it. Sure, i agree with you she should have read the post, but i can imagine myself being to up in arms over seeing that one picture to further investigate. This is all one BIG misunderstanding and i think it would just be good for everyone involved to just lighten up and go about their business since its been resolved.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jun 30, 2005 7:08:35 GMT -8
Abbey, when you have photos on the internet you must understand that people will find it with image search engines or otherwise. They will send, save or post those images.
When I search for gerbil photos with google, I will find several of my own photos on many other websites. Some have asked before they've used it, some don't! Who did not do that I will ask friendly to remove it. Usually they will do that than.
And nobody was truely questioning your husbandy or animals care. They did not yet know that it was you or your gerbils. They were simply discussing the photo. But I can understand that you did not like the comments that were made. But after the explanation nobody critized it.
And about the other forum you mention! There it does happen too! I'm also a member there since 2003 (although I rarely post due to a lack of time at the moment, but I read posts there a lot). Everywhere many people are together you will find several different opinions and different ways of posting. Here maybe more than there, but that is probably also because here there are more members and more different active members.
We all know that you take very good care of your animals!
Indeed I totally agree.
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Post by worthym on Jun 30, 2005 11:09:11 GMT -8
Wow, heres a thread that has got way out of hand!!
Personally I can see Abbey's point concerning her photo's. Bear in mind that any photo that you personally take is covered by copyright laws, you therefore own the copyright to that picture and could legally challenge anyone who uses that photo without your permission. My own personal interest lies within the field of E-Business and the Internet, and I take copyright laws very seriously.
I can also understand how Abbey feels when she says she feels that she has been personally attacked. We all take the welfare of our animals very seriously, and Abbey is probably THE most caring person when it comes to animals. I don't know how many other people can say they have hand reared any small animal successfully, so the dipodils were truly an achievement to be proud of.
As for introduction methods, which is what this thread is about, I think it very much depends on the gerbils in question. Personally I have intro'd on neutral ground ( clean dry bath tub) when introducing male adults to pups. I intorduced individually first, and then together as a group, and they were fine, and live happily together as a group now. I have also used split cage to seperate two adults that I didn't want to de-bond completely, and that worked well too. Basically when introducing, we need to create a strong, long term bond between the animals, and even then monitor continually for any changes in behaviour over time. Dominance issues can always arise at a later point, even after a successful introduction.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jul 1, 2005 6:18:39 GMT -8
Abbey and Callimico worked things out, so the matter has been resolved! Other introduction methods can be discussed in a new thread if needed. And if some people still have something to say about this, you can send a personal message (PM). I will lock this thread.
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