Dilute Burmeses

[Shanawaz]

Hi There,

I have a breeding pair that may carry Dd. Does anyone have pictures of dilute burmeses or siameses that I can refer to identify dd carrying offsprings?

The details of my pair are as follows:

Sire: LCP DEH, Aa chchm D- ee Uw- P-
Dam: Burmese, aa chmchm D- E- Uw- P-

Both gerbils have a parent each that either is Dd or dd. Any help is appreciated.

[betty]

I have never worked with the D gene - but whichever of yours had the dd parent - you should add the d to their gene code (above) as they will definitely have the dilute gene. With the other one you just won't know unless you identify a dd pup.

I'm not sure which diluted colours are the easiest to see in general, as it may be worth either putting up good pictures of the ones you have for id by the group - or breeding them to create only the colours that you can see dilute best in. Have you tried looking at the egerbil colour guides - I think they have one for 'Blues'.

And have you the colours and siblings of your Sire and Dam as we may be able to work out more of those missing genes for you - which could expand or contract your potential colour pool. Of course, the smaller the colour pool, the more likely you are to be able to see the difference in colour between the normal or diluted pups as you could have several of each together next to each other. It makes it so much easier than comparing a single one to a picture of another one.

[Shanawaz]

OK here are the parents of the gerbil breeding pair that I have.
Sire's parents:
Siamese, male - aa chchm DD Ee Uw- Pp* (edited)
BEW, female - Aa chchm -d ee Uw- P- Sp+

The BEW female's parents are both Dd. She probably is at the very least Dd. The Sire's parents are owned by another breeder.

Dam's parents:
Sp Siamese, male - aa chchm Dd Ee Uwuw Pp Sp+
Black, female - aa Cchm DD Ee Uwuw Pp

I live in Singapore, where the underwhite gene is rather abundant. The Sp Siamese's dad is a Light Cream (uwuw). His mum is a Blue.

[betty]

No, you are right. Nothing from the parents there to add to what you had. The only thing they did confirm was that you COULD have 2 dilute carriers, but the odds are against it (especially if both the BEWs parents weren't actually dd), not to say they don't carry it of course.

So you are still left with quite a big potential gene pool for your pup colours. We shall just have to wait and see!

Hopefully your sires parents never had pink-eyed pups, as that could halve your colours right there.

[Shanawaz]

Hi Betty,

Well actually, I missed out Pp for the Sire's dad. (Which has been edited.) But I'm hoping that it doesn't come up in any of the litters too.

The pair produced a litter of 3 two days ago. One was stillborn. The other two are big in size and look healthy. One's pigment is slightly lighter than the other at the moment.

Will keep you and the forum updated once the fuzz comes in!

[betty]

Look forward to it - although with 2 pups your odds of seeing all the available genes is very slim!

I, however, am expecting a litter at the end of the month where mum and dad are both ee and mum is also PPUU - so I have a pretty good idea of my colours this time. Can't wait for all my little ginger pups!

Speak soon about your fuzzies...

[Shanawaz]

Hi!

An update on their first litter of two male pups. Both are chubby and doing great.











Looks like there's a CP Agouti and a Siamese. No signs of any diluted colours though.