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Post by ohmylokix on Mar 8, 2007 17:50:21 GMT -8
That's not wise. You will end up with a broken heart.
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Post by vacampbell on Mar 8, 2007 18:09:18 GMT -8
''If your females expecting another litter, you should wean them pretty quick or she might do it herself.''
Quoted from your website
This is wrong, the mother gerbil will wean the pups when she is ready too. If you try and interfer then you are likely to end up will malnutritioned pups as they can't eat the solid food until their teeth grow and their digestive system matures. It's be like a human mum putting a baby on solid food at a month old or something like that!
''About 30 days after she has her litter the cubs will have their eyes open and will be ready to explore.''
Another quote
Gerbil pups open their eyes at about 15-17 day! and start wondering out of the nest at about 10 days. At thirty days old they are 5 days away from being old enough to leave mum!!
THIS is not just from reading things in books and websites but I have also breed gerbils so have seen it with my own eyes!
''When they eat solid foods it means they can leave the parents.''
No they can't. they start testing and trying food at 3 weeks old, BUT they still need their mum for the nutrition and CANNOT leave their mum until at least 5 weeks old.
And thats just on one section! Sorry but you really need to do more research. especially if you are putting different spieces into the same tank/cage. In some countries that would be classed as animal cruelty and you would probably be fined and banned from keeping animals for life. (This is NOT uncommon either)
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Post by Nothing Special on Mar 8, 2007 18:55:16 GMT -8
*shakes head* It's not animal cruelty. Not if you prevent things fro happening, and if they do, it wasn't your fault. Sometimes things happen, animals fight and one dies. We never mean for them to happen unless we really are evil. And it's not like I'm breeding them to be cruel to them. I don't even plan on breeding them because
1)Not enough people want them.
2) It's a hassle.
3) There are too many homeless animals out there.
Actually those were from books, I don't make up strange facts to lie to people. I never lie, I may not tell the whole truth, but i dn't lie. Somethings on there are suggestions and things that I believe could happen.
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Post by Nothing Special on Mar 8, 2007 18:58:09 GMT -8
Nah, no broken heart. I like gerbils and all, but I never get too attached. It's just the way it is. I still believe there needs to be more proof of gerbils killing hamsters because i've seen many cases of natural animal species that normally fight make friends.
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Post by Nothing Special on Mar 8, 2007 19:18:02 GMT -8
''If your females expecting another litter, you should wean them pretty quick or she might do it herself.'' Quoted from your website This is wrong, the mother gerbil will wean the pups when she is ready too. If you try and interfer then you are likely to end up will malnutritioned pups as they can't eat the solid food until their teeth grow and their digestive system matures. It's be like a human mum putting a baby on solid food at a month old or something like that! ''About 30 days after she has her litter the cubs will have their eyes open and will be ready to explore.'' Another quote Gerbil pups open their eyes at about 15-17 day! and start wondering out of the nest at about 10 days. At thirty days old they are 5 days away from being old enough to leave mum!! THIS is not just from reading things in books and websites but I have also breed gerbils so have seen it with my own eyes! ''When they eat solid foods it means they can leave the parents.'' No they can't. they start testing and trying food at 3 weeks old, BUT they still need their mum for the nutrition and CANNOT leave their mum until at least 5 weeks old. And thats just on one section! Sorry but you really need to do more research. especially if you are putting different spieces into the same tank/cage. In some countries that would be classed as animal cruelty and you would probably be fined and banned from keeping animals for life. (This is NOT uncommon either) The only reason anyone has to wean pups is if it has to be done. You can try to speed up the process by encouraging the pups to eat solid foods more and become idependent. My gerbil was born in the school so us students got to watch them grow. The pups were exploring before they had their eyes open, but mama always carried them back to the nest. I said 30 days because that's the absolute maximum amount of time that it takes for them to open their eyes. I believe our pups had their eyes open at about 12 days. But if they don't have their eyes open by 30 days, somethings gone very wrong. The absolute earliest time the pups can leave their parents is when they start eating solid foods. This doesn't mean that it should be done. The only time it should be done is if it is necessary. Like if mama's having another litter and has to wean her babies quick. |
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Post by Nothing Special on Mar 8, 2007 19:20:46 GMT -8
Anyways my main profession is the equine. I do a lot more with horses than gerbils. I prefer mucking out stalls than cleaning gerbil cages.
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Post by ohmylokix on Mar 8, 2007 19:41:41 GMT -8
All I'm going to say is that you sound like a very thick, closed-minded person. I'm not going to say any more, and I'm sure that Suzy isn't happy that her board got hijacked.
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Post by ohmylokix on Mar 8, 2007 19:48:27 GMT -8
I've asked a mod to delete all off-topic posts made by myself, Nothing Special, and vacampbell.
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Post by Nothing Special on Mar 8, 2007 19:52:07 GMT -8
No, I'm opened to learning new things. I've edited the pages I could on my website, I just kind of quit the website a few months after I made it because there was nothing happening. And then we changed the layout of the site so the inof might have changed a bit. We didn't necessarily hijack her thread. Just had a little dispute. You're lucky I didn't go all out crazy mad on you, It would have been no fun. So far before I came here, my only sources for gerbil info were:
Books,
Websites,
The birth of the classroom gerbils.
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Post by ohmylokix on Mar 8, 2007 19:57:42 GMT -8
I'm sorry if I've upset you, but as I said earlier, I've asked a mod to delete all off-topic posts, as fights should not be on here. Plus we went from Suzy's question to arguing about false info.
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Post by Nothing Special on Mar 8, 2007 20:07:36 GMT -8
I'm not upset anymore. Just people have to ease ideas like that and not force them. I'm not a very pleasant person when I'm unhappy. I guarrantee it! ;D
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Post by pepandmax on Mar 8, 2007 20:27:08 GMT -8
Hi guys! While it looks like things are calming down, this thread got a little out of hand. I'm going to temporarily lock this thread until tomorrow morning (it's after 11:00 p.m. Eastern Time, U.S.) so everyone can take a deep breath and get some sleep. In the morning, when one of our mods in the U.K. logs on, we'll sort this out. Good night! *yawn* Nicole EDIT: *rolls out of bed, bleary eyed* Good morning, everyone. I re-read this thread, and I think it's ok to keep the thread (not delete everyone's posts). Since both of Suzy's questions have been answered, the thread will stay closed (and locked). I would like to clear up a few misconceptions, in case there are guests out there reading this. First, gerbils were first bred as pets during the 1950s--which means that the books written during the 70s don't have a lot of experience backing them. One book I have claims that gerbils don't need waterbottles, that lettuce provides sufficient hydration. Not true! As ohmylokix noted, the AGS & NGS provide quality information that you can trust. Read this thread regarding species co-habitation: gerbilforum.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=generalcare&action=display&thread=1113048055&page=2It is absolutely possible to introduce two gerbils, although it takes time, patience, and a bit of special equipment. See this board for more information: gerbilforum.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=behaviour Also, breeders and fanciers generally believe that gerbils are happier in groups, rather than alone. I say generally because there are a few strange gerbils out there that really seem to prefer not to share their territory. Also, a truly albino gerbil (one with no pigment in its body or eyes) hasn't been reported yet. Nor is there a "rex" gerbil (a gerbil with curly or kinked hair), but we continue to wait to see what mutations will pop up in the future. This gerbil petoftheday.com/archive/2004/November/13.jpg is a red-eyed white (or maybe pink-eyed white). Ask on the Colors & Genetics board if you want more information. gerbilforum.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=coloursFinally, if you would like to advertise a website, please do so in the "Member Website Links" here: gerbilforum.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=memberlinksI hope this clears up any confusion for other readers. Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming! Nicole |
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Post by whitmoregirl on Mar 9, 2007 9:08:21 GMT -8
*in comes the big bad admin*  Glad this has been sorted, sorry I wasn't on to slap some people around *shakes fist* but I've been busy past day or so. Nothing Special, if you want to continue to do your website, feel free to ask any questions, as already said, majority of the books on gerbils have false or improper information on them (similar to quite a bit of information on websites on the net, as well as information given out by ill-trained petshop owners) However there is no reason for you to have gotten a little hissy when told that the information your website holds is wrong. I'll allow you to stay on the site but no more childishness if you are told something is incorrect, ok?  |
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