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Post by sweetie on Aug 29, 2004 16:24:44 GMT -8
Hello members, I have yet another  question. People breed for color, hobby, temperment, etc. Many members said you should not breed if one or either gerbil is: *related *has epilepsy/fits *kinked tail *poor temperment I have heard of kinked tail but what is it? Does anyone have pictures? Also on another website, something was mentioned about the pups having wierd feet??? What is this? I have not heard of it and can not imagine what it would be from. Are there any other issues that one would not breed or choose to breed either a pair or a specific gerbil? Thanks again for your support. As i have many questions BEFORE I breed. |
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Post by sweetie on Aug 30, 2004 13:39:11 GMT -8
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Post by RW on Aug 30, 2004 16:11:08 GMT -8
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Post by sweetie on Aug 31, 2004 5:33:15 GMT -8
Thanks RW,
Have you heard of something about wierd feet? I was on AGS and they were talking about pups with wierd feet??? What is that all about?
Thanks for the pictures. She sure is adorable. I bet you miss her. She lookes like she was pretty tame. You have a good rapport with all of your animals don't you?
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Post by andrea on Aug 31, 2004 5:45:42 GMT -8
Hi, Yes kinked tails... I think when people refer to not breeding from gerbils with kinked tails they mean when there is a distinctive bend in the vertabrae of the tail. I fyou run your finger gently along the tail and it has any lumps or bumps or definate bends, I would like carefully about breeding from them. But on the other hand one of our breeding females maddie has what I call "looks like a kinked tail" ;D she for some reason holds the muscles in her tail very tight this makes the tail appear kinked, when in fact if you run your fingers gentle down her tail its completly straight. Kinked tail is a very common mutation/injury in inbred and or commercial bred gerbils. unfortuantly the first pair of gerbs we had, were pet shop ones and all there pups had kinked tails or died from respiratory infections. The weird feet thing is a new thing on me, never heard that one Andrea |
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Post by queenofthenile on Aug 31, 2004 5:56:12 GMT -8
I think some pups are born with 'club feet' or fused ankles. With the ankles, the foot is bent in a strange way because it can't rotate freely. I'm assuming club feet is where the toes don't develop properly . Sorry, I don't have any pictures, because these are just mutations that I have *heard* of. |
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Post by sweetie on Aug 31, 2004 6:07:59 GMT -8
On AGS, there are several people who have pups like that. I could not figure it out and thought maybe I was misinterpreting what I read but I don't think so.
Thanks again for the info. Luckily, none of mine are like that but I want to make sure I know what it is before I breed!! That way if the pups are like that, then I won't adopt them out.
I guess I had never seen or heard of it before and was quite curious.
Are there any other reasons not to breed other than the ones mentioned above?
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Post by Gwirrel on Aug 31, 2004 6:29:37 GMT -8
I would also say, if you have a Gerbil that has suffered from a respiratory infection you shouldn't breed from it... It is thought that respiratory infections can be genetical, which are then triggered by types if bedding or bad husbandry. So if you don't breed from these gerbils you shouldn't get these problems in your own pups either. Another thing to consider... When breeding with Gerbils with recessives think wisely about which ones you are using. For example, a DEH or REH carrying something like g will have an off colour coat. Or a Siamese carrying Gg will look the wrong colour, it won't have the 'mushroom' colour that it should and in parts of Europe are being called Tonkinese (I'm sure Peter can expand on this  ). Of course, this is only if you are planning on showing your Gerbils  I try to keep my lines as pure as possible, so they have the correct colouring, and if there are any recessives then they aren't detrimental to the colouring. |
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Post by sweetie on Aug 31, 2004 6:54:02 GMT -8
Gwirrel,
Thanks for the info. I don't think I can show any of mine since 2 are shelter gerbils and the other 4 are pet store gerbils and I have no idea of parents. I would love to attend a show though!! I bet it would be awesome. They don't have a lot here in the US.
I would be breeding for hobby and experience. I still need to do everything like website etc to ensure that my gerbil pups have loving homes. I have several people who want them. Since, I don't know what to expect for litters or colorings, I am doing my research first.
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Post by RW on Aug 31, 2004 7:44:23 GMT -8
Thanks RW, Have you heard of something about wierd feet? I was on AGS and they were talking about pups with wierd feet??? What is that all about? Thanks for the pictures. She sure is adorable. I bet you miss her. She lookes like she was pretty tame. You have a good rapport with all of your animals don't you? Yes, she was extremely tame. She wasn't a flashy color and her tail was curled (which I thought was very cute and wouldn't have changed if I could have, even though it's considered a fault), but she had the sweetest, most gentle and wonderful personality. She's the one I mentioned in the other thread who has been gone for a year. I do still miss her, every day. I have better photos of her, but my favorites are some that my daughter took while we were having bathroom playtime. She was such a hammy little show-off and loved posing for the camera!   ![]() tidytuftgerbils.smugmug.com/photos/7974925-M.jpg[/img]![]() tidytuftgerbils.smugmug.com/photos/7974926-M.jpg[/img] |
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Post by sweetie on Aug 31, 2004 10:18:39 GMT -8
Looks like she had personality plus. I hear you loud and clear when you say that you would not change it for the world.
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Post by moghedien on Aug 31, 2004 16:48:30 GMT -8
Sorry to change topic to something Gwirrel said earlier, but I'm really curious about the recessive g thing in Siamese gerbils. Does that really cause a definite change in color, and if so, does anyone have any pics comparing a GG siamese with a Gg? I guess this really belongs in the color section, but I'm so curious! |
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Post by birko on Aug 31, 2004 17:00:26 GMT -8
i have a picture of mine with i kincked tale. mine had an accident sumhow he traped his tale in sommet when i got him first i had one of those little crappy cages them rotastak.  |
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Post by queenofthenile on Aug 31, 2004 18:55:04 GMT -8
I can't guarentee that this picture depicts the difference between GG and Gg siamese, but I *think* it does. If anyone has a better pic, please correct me.  The gerbil on the top, 'Roo', seemed more white and pristine than the lower gerbil, 'Aspen'. I think Roo is GG and Aspen is Gg. Unfortunately, Roo went to a new home, so I can't do a colour comparison as adults. I think if you aren't showing that it doesn't really matter if your gerbs carry recessives. |
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Post by sweetie on Aug 31, 2004 19:35:29 GMT -8
Hey Queenie,
The picture only came out as a red X where can I go to see the picture?
I think it was a great question!!!
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question. People breed for color, hobby, temperment, etc. Many members said you should not breed if one or either gerbil is:
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). Of course, this is only if you are planning on showing your Gerbils 