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Sept 1, 2004 0:33:32 GMT -8
Post by DarkStar on Sept 1, 2004 0:33:32 GMT -8
i just get confuddled as to how people get so riled up up over little rodents sometimes
but their cute little furry dudes, can you give me some advice now though as to what to do with my situation?
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Sept 1, 2004 1:03:22 GMT -8
Post by darrenb on Sept 1, 2004 1:03:22 GMT -8
darkstar,
You say you dont understand why people get riled up over the little furries, but from reading old posts it is you that got filed up by posting as darkf***ingstar.
Anyway it is not reccomended you inbreed gerbils, its a fact dont do it when it can be avoided - but if you MUST still breed gerbils.
You have said you have already raised a litter, so you know the very basics i.e. "Pop boy and girl together, and let them get on with it - when she is on heat the male will mate with her, about 25 days later you should have a litter."
Sorry but i have tried to read your posts about your gerbil situation, but i seriously can not understand your 'posts' - maybe you would reply to this calmly and methodically stating the situation and exactly what you want to achieve - please don't get emotional in your reply it just clouds the actual issues.
Thanks
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Post by sweetie on Sept 1, 2004 5:30:23 GMT -8
Darkstar, I am still confused as to why you would want to breed siblings?? If your only reason is because you don't want to take the time to go get unrelated gerbils, your laziness will cost you in the long run!!! Are you using them as food ? If not then you are in for some nasty issues. Also if you are using them as food, do you think inbred deformed babies are good food? On another point, please read the post "Inbreeding" it is a previous post that goes into the whole inbreeding "thing". There you will find scientific information and then you can decide if it is truly what you want to do. This Forum is to support people who have gerbils and want to take care of them properly . We instruct based on doing what is right for the gerbils and thier owners.
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RW
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Post by RW on Sept 1, 2004 5:55:34 GMT -8
Some people get emotional about gerbils because, to them, they're much more than just "little rodents".
Most of the people on this board (or any gerbil forum you visit) truly love gerbils and have their best welfare at heart. Some folks are attached to their cats, some to dogs, we happen to be attached to our gerbils. Not that hard to understand... but, compassion can't be taught. It's either something you're born with or something you aren't.
There's no point in being offended/offensive because experienced breeders aren't telling you what you want to hear.
RW
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Sept 1, 2004 5:57:35 GMT -8
Post by sweetie on Sept 1, 2004 5:57:35 GMT -8
Well said RW!!
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Sept 1, 2004 6:46:00 GMT -8
Post by DarkStar on Sept 1, 2004 6:46:00 GMT -8
oh geez, born with compassion???"its never too late, to learn about love"-cat stevens yeah yer right thou sweetie, was a bit hypocritical of me. basically i have 2 cage setups right now, one with 3 black gerbils, 2 adults and about a 25 day old, and one with 1 gold and 3 white like 8 week olds. i wanted to put goldie back in with his parents so he can breed with the black 25 day year old girl, they werent apart of the same litter so maybe that will help a little with the inbreeding genetic thing? the pet store thing really isnt an option for me and my mom, shes really sick of the gerbils and their mess, im afraid i have to work with what i have to work with, as the pet store nearby is redneckish and terrible, and the one we went to a city away originally didnt even HAVE gerbils! but its not that important i get goldie and little blackie girl to breed, whatever you all suggest would probably be best, but i AM going to inbreed, so please stop with the persuasion...i will take any advice you have to offer probably unless it is 'dont do it', i just wanna do the unsafe thing as safe as possible so no one dies, lol, if that makes any sense. if the babies are THAT genetically deforme, and they dont grow outta the deformities, ill split em up or somethin so they cant breed no more, see , im not a bad guy. ;P and dude i really dont see the attatchment with gerbils, unless maybe you like fostered one since she waws a babby and thought you were a mom, they SEEM to generally dislike humans since they are never let out of their cage, and humans are the only thing that can do that, and when you do and put them back in they get angry because their stuck back! {omitted for language}. at least thats my experience with gerbils, but do you ever watchh their facial expressions and how they glare at you sometimes like their angry? idk just my experience talking. and hey, to each their own right? {edited to remove foul language}
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Post by queenofthenile on Sept 1, 2004 6:51:43 GMT -8
Dark Star, noone here is going to support what you are doing. I don't care if there are no gerbils in your area, what you are doing is dangerous and wrong. It doesn't matter whether they came from seperate litters, they are still siblings! If your mom doesn't want any more gerbils, than why is she letting you breed in the first place.
If you want more information on how to do things *wrong*, then this isn't the place. Sorry.
If you continue to use foul language you will be banned. This is your last warning.
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Sept 1, 2004 7:23:27 GMT -8
Post by darrenb on Sept 1, 2004 7:23:27 GMT -8
basically i have 2 cage setups right now, one with 3 black gerbils, 2 adults and about a 25 day old, and one with 1 gold and 3 white like 8 week olds. As it sounds like you have decided your doing it, we cant physically stop you hence why everyone is so against what you are proposing, they see telling you no may hopefully discorage you from doing so, but as i still think if you are going to do it, then advise is needed to make sure as much as possible no gerbils are going to get hurt. (im not having a moan at anyone there im just explaining to DS why everyone is sounding negative towards what she plans to do) I will try to answer the questions you have - ok - i am only helping so you dont cause any suffering to the offspring from not knowing the in's and out's of breeding ( again im not saying that you don't know ) the tank with two adult blacks and a 4 week old black, which sexes are they ? I am assuming theyre all boys. You say you want to mate the black pup with a golden mate - are you intending on separating these two off together in their own tank as that would be best practice and most likely the only way of controlling who mates with who. But saying that you could just divide up the tank with wire mesh into separate chambers if the tank is big enough that is. So if possible i would prefer you did it as 3 tanks 1 = two same sex gerbils ( the blacks ) 2 = the black youngster and the golden one - they are at a good age for introducing to each other 3 = two same sex gerbils ( the whites ) providing the two same sex colonies have big enough tanks you could introduce pups in each making sure you separate the sexes - that will leave you with a breeding pair and two colony's At least this way you could control the breeding by adding a split mesh between the black and golden when you do not want a litter. Thats about the best help i can offer you.. Lastly of course i have to add you should avoid inbreeding as much as possible, unless of course you are trying to stop a rare colour from becoming extinct in your clan - such as a blue etc.. Darren
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Sept 1, 2004 7:40:49 GMT -8
Post by DarkStar on Sept 1, 2004 7:40:49 GMT -8
dont take this so serious nile, they inbreed in nature too dont they? **** rodent ethics, me just doesnt understand, like i said if the babies are that ****** ill see to it they dont make any more. lots of gerbil babies die every day at birth im sure no, the tank with 3 blacks is 2 females and a male, one of the females being the kid. and yes, i was planning on giving them there own home, i just dont know if itll work out cuz shes so young(like 25 days probably) and hes getting older every day, starting to look adultish. id say hes about 8-10 weeks. BLANKED OUT ALL FOUL LANGUAGE!
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Post by RW on Sept 1, 2004 7:51:50 GMT -8
I'm confused. Why do you keep gerbils at all? You don't appear to even like them much and you're basically saying yours don't like you. What's the point?
RW
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Post by Gwirrel on Sept 1, 2004 8:05:38 GMT -8
Why are you insisting on inbreeding? As already pointed out, your mom doesn't want anymore gerbils so what's the point in breeding??
All you're going to do is mess up any Gerbil lines in your area. Bad breeding techniques like what you are practicing is exactly the reason why a lot of rodents get dubbed as being 'Nasty, Bitey and evil' Through inbreeding you can often end up with Gerbils that aren't friendly, bite, skittish, suffer from fits or epilepsy and have personality problems and they could have deformities such as fixed wrists. What are you going to do with all these pups that nobody wants? Inbreeding is also the reason why so many the Russian Dwarf Hamster - Campbells is prone to Diabetes. Through people breeding them with absolutely no consideration for the species as a whole.
The point of breeding is to BETTER the species, not make things worse.
Why are you asking for our advise when it seems quite obvious that you aren't actually listening to any of us.
But I will follow what Darren said... If you are going to inbreed then PLEASE do not breed sibling to sibling, instead line breed. This is where you breed parent to offspring. This is not as dangerous as sibling inbreeding. However, I won't agree with what you are doing because you clearly do not know what you are doing or even why you are. You say your gerbils don't like you, and it doesn't even seem like you like them either. So as RW said, what's the point?
And in nature, no Gerbils won't inbreed. When the alpha female is in heat she will go to a different colony, mate with a male there and then go back to her own colony and have them all help raise the pups.
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Post by andrea on Sept 1, 2004 12:37:32 GMT -8
Hi everyone,
For everyones information, Due to foul language and the failure to accept good advice and general disrespect for gerbils. I have banned this persons, email address, IP address and all usernames.
I just hope her mum stops her from breeding the gerbils and even makes her sell them.
I am sorry but I do not have the patience for such disresctful and downright rude people. I know we all get upset sometimes but that was uncalled for. I will now lock this thread and edit all nasty language.
Andrea
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