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Post by SunshineGerbils on Oct 1, 2011 6:19:04 GMT -8
Is any one going to the AGS midatlantic show in Maryland at the Fair grounds, it is in January? I know it is early to be asking but im looking to acquire some new colors. I am looking to start a line with EM (extreme mottled, over 75% white) and schimmel. Instead of having 2 pairs could I have an EM that carries ef and a schimmel so they would produce both colors? Does any body plan to have any thing like that?
Also on egerbil i was reading the high whites can have health problems because of all of the spotting. Is that true? That is where over 90% is white. EM are over 75% white so Im presuming that these are 2 different colors and that EM's dont have any health problems. Is this true?
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Post by cortez1011 on Oct 1, 2011 7:40:45 GMT -8
hey!!! Once my registration with AGS is final I'll know if I am going  What day is it? and where is Maryland? Thanks! |
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Post by SunshineGerbils on Oct 1, 2011 7:44:09 GMT -8
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Post by cortez1011 on Oct 1, 2011 9:03:01 GMT -8
thanks!
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Post by abbynormal on Oct 9, 2011 17:35:02 GMT -8
I wish I could be in Maryland for it. But, I'm stuck over here on the west coast! Grrr.
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Oct 10, 2011 4:37:18 GMT -8
There will be a number of breeders at the maryland show working with Schimmels. There may be some available for adoption if you talk to the breeders before getting to the show. I myself am planning on going, but do not have any plans to breed my schimmel lines this fall. I may have some adults that would be available, but i won't know till i get much closer.
However, i wouldn't adopt out one breeding pair of schimmels. Schimmels are already highly highly inbred. This is because a breeder only has one pair, and they never get more, so they just keep using the same stock over and over again. Breeding siblings, cousins, parents, and other combinations of inbreeding. I'm working rather hard to increase the diversity in the lines and to outcross to strong bulky males, as many of the schimmels that we have now are fairly weak, poorly colored, and small. There are two lines that are really strong and beautiful. They come from HeraculesxSundown and MikeyxPeanut.
As for getting your hands on an Extreme Mottled, I'm going to say... good luck. Breeders seldom give up their mottleds, never mind the nicer ones. However, you can't show an Extreme Mottled. So many breeders strive for variegation and not for the extreme mottleds. The few nice mottleds i get are usually given to other breeders in hopes that i get a pup back down the line. I think I've only ever adopted out one as a pet. I know there are a few breeders working on their mottled lines... like ABC and Gerbil Parade. If you were to talk to them before the show they might be able to help you.
There are no adoptions at the Mid Atlantic Show. All adoptions must be prearranged or arranged offsite at the hotel.
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Post by SunshineGerbils on Oct 10, 2011 13:06:17 GMT -8
Ok thank you that is good to know. I have been in touch with ABC gerbils and Donna plans to have both schimmel and EM for sale. Is it possible to breed a schimmel and a EM that carries ef so they will get both colors?
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Oct 10, 2011 18:15:12 GMT -8
What i can say about this is... i know Donna has pups from Shimmer and from Hercules. Both were stunning schimmels. However, i haven't bred a spot into the line to find out if they carry mottling. What i can say is i have some heavy mottleds coming out of some of my schimmel lines that are out of Storybooks. This is spraypaint. He is from the schimmel lines, but doesn't actually carry ef. www.moonstonegerbils.com/pictures/gerbils/0102spraypaint.JPGThis is Marble, she does carry ef. www.moonstonegerbils.com/pictures/gerbils/2601Marble.JPGThis is marble's brother who carries ef www.moonstonegerbils.com/pictures/gerbils/3702.JPGIt is very possible that the ef lines carry modified genes for mottling, this is because if you follow the pedigrees back, you will find that the original schimmels were bred to extreme mottleds. However, this isn't actually ideal. When you get a spotted schimmel (a champange) they come out as BEW's, and do not retain orange on their tail from the excessive mottling. They can actually be born fairly white too. I've had some extreme mottleds nutmegs with ef be born with nothing more than a tuft of orange around their ears which molted out later. They weren't even champanges, and they were still BEWs. This is a mottled ef nutmeg www.moonstonegerbils.com/pictures/gerbils/7002dxn.JPGAll of his nutmeg siblings were born with a white tuft on their forheads, huge bibs too www.moonstonegerbils.com/ask/index_files/image4091.jpgCurrently i have a number adults schimmels and carriers that are looking for homes. Silver Schimmel F Schimmel F Schimmel M Silver Nutmeg M Nutmeg M DEH M Gray Agouti M Mottled Nutmeg M 2x BEW M |
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Post by SunshineGerbils on Oct 11, 2011 12:35:07 GMT -8
Thanks, that is very helpful. I would need a male and a female pair. How mottled is the nutmeg? I would only be able to pick them up in January. Are all of those ef carriers? |
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