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Post by betty on Jul 15, 2021 14:57:22 GMT -8
Also, from the lightness, I would assume a Sapphire (spotted) for sure - not Lilac. Lilac is genetically less likely with a Sapphire/Dove parent - especially if the mother could be a cp carrier too.
That leaves the white one as either a Dove or PEW I think.
So, mum did carry an a - perfect.
Mum - REH: Aa C* ee pp Uw* Dad - ???: aa C* E* pp Uw*
In a few more days we can fill in some more of the blanks for sure! Then we can make more guesses at the second litter too.
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Post by moondancer on Jul 15, 2021 16:55:37 GMT -8
I never had grey like ketch before so this really exticting. I never had argente colour either so I am really happy.
Three spotted and three solids are great number. These are staying with me as there only one female, I will not home her alone. Hopefully there be a female in the second litter to pair her with to home.
What is the difference between Dove and Sapphire?
They got a silver like fur and not as pale of white. I definitely take more photos when two weeks. These ones are active at one week old. I sex them again to make sure they are 5 boys and 1 girl lol
I am in love with ginger spotted ones.
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Post by betty on Jul 15, 2021 18:02:02 GMT -8
Gingers are some of my favorites too - any of them!!!
Dove and Sapphire are two versions of the same colour - like Argente Fawn and Argente Cream - it is all in the c gene.
CC = Lilac (dark silver) Ccchm = Sapphire (medium silver) Cch = Dove (very light silver)
CC = Argente Golden (dark ginger) Ccchm = Argente Fawn (Topaz) (medium ginger) Cch = Argente Cream (very light ginger)
The 'stronger' the c - the paler the colour
Same with full colourpoints too:
cchmcchm = Burmese cchmch = Siamese chch = Himalayan
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Post by moondancer on Jul 16, 2021 3:05:19 GMT -8
I love learning new things
I have had CP Slate (think that's a colour) and a topaz pairing once.
These colours are so lovely, I love siamese as my first make was this colour and he used to come back when called. He was amazing father and never bred with a female right after birth.
I also have a soft spot for black with white under the chin
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Post by moondancer on Jul 17, 2021 6:47:17 GMT -8
The white as got some ginger coming. One of the spotted as gotten darker (made me thought there was another pup) and the grey as gotten darker too
Take new photos of the next week
I have four spotted as the white as spotted markings.
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Post by betty on Jul 17, 2021 7:52:58 GMT -8
Those sneaky gingers!
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Post by moondancer on Jul 17, 2021 8:45:19 GMT -8
Here are the colours at 9days old
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Post by betty on Jul 18, 2021 7:41:06 GMT -8
Wow - that is an intense ginger - my first thoughts would be an Argente Golden or Fawn for that top one!
The second one looks much paler and like the ginger is limited to the 'central' back more than all over - which could indicate a Light REHoney.
Hmm.
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Post by betty on Jul 18, 2021 7:43:26 GMT -8
And did you ever rub the mums fur backwards to see if the fur was silver underneath - or ginger like the top?
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Post by moondancer on Jul 18, 2021 8:38:11 GMT -8
Hey.
The photo wasn't the grey one that was the light ginger girl. The white is cream light ginger. I get photos today of them, soon the parents are up.
I haven't brushed her fur as she not keen bing touch long enough.
I have got two girls though both ginger ones. Only one is a grey and no PEW
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Post by betty on Jul 18, 2021 8:52:38 GMT -8
Your pictures show the before and after of two different ginger gerbils don't they? I didn't see a grey one?
One that was ginger at 7 days and even more ginger all over at 9 The other was still white at 7 days and is now a pale ginger mainly on her back.
Am I not seeing all the pictures?
And no PEWs doesn't mean the parents aren't both carrying a colourpoint gene - it just means we have to wait a bit longer for the second litter to see if there is one in there.
Can't wait for the updated images...
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Post by moondancer on Jul 18, 2021 9:36:06 GMT -8
Here are update of the photos of the pups at 10days old. I got better ones of them together on the camera Also the mum fur brushed backwards was cream/white colour. Similar to Mick Castiel photos Castiel ginger is very pale, the camera picked it up better. The gingers are so adorable, the spotted one sleeps in my hand Are the gingers argente? Mick and Castiel is confusing me lol. Enjoy Moondancer I wanted some PEWs too hoping for some in the second litter
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Post by betty on Jul 19, 2021 6:31:18 GMT -8
OK - so looks like Dad carries the wonderful e you wanted - I am sure that with that solid ginger tummy that Gadreel is a Saffron.
Which could well make Mick and Castiel REHoneys - possible LREHs - possibly REHoney Creams. (Or Possibly the Saffron equivalent because white spotting removes the ginger tummy - so Saffron. L.Saffron or (Saffron) Honey Cream)
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Post by moondancer on Jul 19, 2021 7:59:04 GMT -8
Wow amazing, never had saffron before, everyone loves gadreel 😆 Here are the group photos of them Gadreel as a shiny tone and darker orange tone. I am so pleased. Constaine is sapphire right? He lot darker than dad. Not sure they light up with age. I am hoping for PEWs in the next litter. Genetics are awesome Mick is getting darker like amara. Castiel I thought was white for while
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Post by betty on Jul 19, 2021 12:28:37 GMT -8
Based on those groups images - Amara might be a Saffron too - there is a little ginger belly on her tummy towards her tail end? And yes, the Honey Creams darker with every hair change before losing virtually all of their white (apart from the actual spots).
Sapphires are temperature dependent - so two sapphires can be different shades of Sapphire. But without the mum having a cp gene - the pup can only carry the same gene as the father.
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