Ketch x Rowena litter 2

[moondancer]

Here is the second litter, they are one week old today. It seems I have a few greys this time. She has cut up three of them (not sure why) but on her own as she was aggressive with the two girls. So fair I believe there are more girls. Don't think I have PEWS this time either


Group photo

Boy (it was a big give away as he as bugle)

Sapphire spotted, female I believe

Sapphire soild, male

Sapphire solid, female I believe

Ginger solid, male I think (I am sure he had a bugle)

Sapphire solid, male

The other two I didn't take as they were getting cold and I kept thinking I grab the same one twice lol

[moondancer]

Here are the second litter of my ketch x rowena breeding I love the colours they produce and lot more spotted babies this time around 

[moondancer]

betty

Here are the head shots of the girls am correct of the colours here

Mum - red eye honey spotted 
Dad - sapphire spotted

The grey changed to ginger the sneaky devil's

Here I believe I have (if you need belly shots more clearly let me know I can upload them)

2 x red eye honey spotted 
1 x saffron spotted
1 x argente Fawn solid 
1 x saffron solid
1 x lilac or sapphire (very dark) spotted 
1 x dove or sapphire (very pale) spotted 
1 x honey cream pied/spotted/mottled
No PEWS never mind


Head shot


Group photo 

[betty]

Yes, that looks about right on colours give or take a ginger!

I am not sure whether we identified that your mum carried the ch (light gene) did we from the last litter - I can't remember? This is the gene needed for a Dove/Argente Cream. I don't have time just now to go and find it - but will loook agin over the weekend.

Now we have a second litter and more stats we can build up a better picture of most of the hidden genes.

[moondancer]

betty
Here are the second litter photos today, they be 3wks Tuesday and eyes are beginning to open. 

Do you have any idea what the dark grey could be? As you can see the difference between them.







There is no saffron this time as dark ginger as she has a white belly.

I am busy taming them now and handling them regularly for 5mins a day

[betty]

The dark grey is a Lilac for sure. Spotting lightens the grey - so if he is lightened and still that dark - he must be Lilac.

I can't find my notes - but wasn't the mum and dad DEH (with cp) and Sapphire (most likely)? This means that with the pups showing in the percentages given that the parents are most likely the following:


REHoney: Aa Cc^chm ee pp Uw*
Sapphire: aa Cc^chm Ee pp Uw*

* pups can only 'show' a uwd gene if both parents have one - but this doesn't mean that one parent doesn't have it - you just won't know if they do until you test breed then singly to a known carrier.


This gives you roughly the following pups in almost equal measure:

Argente Golden    Lilac
Argente Fawn      Sapphire

REHoney             Saffron
REH (lighter)       Saffron (lighter)

PEW                    PEW

[moondancer]

Amazing no PEWS though even though I hoped for some

[betty]

Yes, statistically they should be in there - but as the genes for cp and p are 'linked' they often appear together in a slightly higher percentage than a punnett square would suggest, this also means that they could NOT appear at all.

I can't look back through right now - but perhaps fill in numbers for the table I create above with actual pup colour numbers alongside the predicted colours and see what it looks like overall. I mean the percentages don't work out for each litter of course, but over time they look more and more like the full monty.

[moondancer]

Yeah the complete Whites tricked me twice as they had ginger coming in, they look really mottled.

This pair as one more breeding as she gave birth to the second litter in secret so I expect there be another one soon enough. I find in a week or two as the pups are two weeks.

No saffron this time around. But I love the lighter ginger ones.

Did you say grey undercoat is for argente? As these ginger were grey at week old of age.

I am not sure who I am breeding to continue the lines as I need unrelated male and I never pair up old gerbils before.

Thanks for teaching me more on the gene and the colours. I never had these colours before I had solid lilac but never as dark as this girl.

Ketch gone very pale/light you can't see his markings now

[moondancer]

_{betty  
Here is better photo of dad}


Here is his son Constantine, he would be 9wks this Wednesday, he shedding and going darker. Only thought nutmeg did this but he is beautiful



Here is my beautiful ginger babies.