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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 8, 2021 7:31:16 GMT -8
Perhaps the formatting depends on your browser or the forum theme you're using, because it appears as superscript to me? I’m using my phone so that might be the problem. I will check on my laptop but I do know that users might use their phone more especially those who are just looking something up quickly and they aren’t an active member. I personally usually check my notifications and reply to posts on my phone and only use my laptop for posting photos so an alternative to the subscript would be better, something that all members see the same no matter the device. I have changed all the superscript characters to italic to hopefully differentiate them more from the rest of the text. In the case of the superscript letters I have also added a space between the word and the letter, and added a note at the top of the thread. Hopefully this will help? |
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 8, 2021 7:37:16 GMT -8
Brilliant article lilyanddaisy (I'm going to use L&d in future I think!  ), I like the straightforward lists at the beginning followed by detailed explanations  . I certainly can't think of anything to add, oh and the superscript works for me (I'm using Mozilla Firefox FWIW). And nice addition with the Dandelion section, although I think one of us has got the daily caffiec acid quantity fed to the rats or mice wrong by a factor of 10? Unless it's because you referred to the rats and I referred to the mice? (I've not got time to check atm).
Anyway, for now I'm going to stick this thread here, maybe we'll move to the FAQ section later? What do people think?
PipSqueak What browser are you using? The caffeic acid content in the study was 2%, so 2g or 2000mg for every 100g fed. I made the assumption that a rat would be eating about 10g per day, so about 200mg caffeic acid per day. A mouse would be eating less. How did you come to 2000-3000mg per day? The advantage of having a stickied thread in the main sections is that people can continue to comment on them with little questions they might not want to make a new thread for. Although it would be good if the FAQ section were up to date. Perhaps the FAQ section could function as a "master list" of useful threads from all over the forum without the threads necessarily having to be moved there? |
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 8, 2021 7:44:08 GMT -8
Lilyanddaisy, thank you for putting together such a complete and thorough list! I was surprised to see that you listed peanut butter as an unrecomended food - my gerbils love it! I spread some on my finger and let them lick it off. It's a real treat. The only major issue I've ever had with peanut butter is that SnowFlake will get overexcited, and shove RainDrop out of the way so that he gets the entire treat for himself. I'm still looking for solutions to that, if you have any ideas let me know! Peanut butter is only given as an example of a very sticky food which could be unsafe if fed as a lump that the gerbils can hold (when fed like this it frequently causes difficulty swallowing or choking in my experience). It's fine if spread on your finger for them to lick off. It does send them crazy though and I haven't found a cure for that yet! Markpd, ideally it would be unsalted, unsweetened peanut butter but if you're feeding it in very small amounts not too frequently it's probably not essential. I occasionally give mine peanut butter on a bit of toast, and while it does have salt and sugar, it's 97% peanuts so it wouldn't be a large amount. |
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Post by Markpd on Dec 8, 2021 13:32:03 GMT -8
Send them crazy?  As in they want it so badly? Or hyperactive after eating it? Brilliant article lilyanddaisy (I'm going to use L&d in future I think! ), I like the straightforward lists at the beginning followed by detailed explanations . I certainly can't think of anything to add, oh and the superscript works for me (I'm using Mozilla Firefox FWIW). And nice addition with the Dandelion section, although I think one of us has got the daily caffiec acid quantity fed to the rats or mice wrong by a factor of 10? Unless it's because you referred to the rats and I referred to the mice? (I've not got time to check atm). Anyway, for now I'm going to stick this thread here, maybe we'll move to the FAQ section later? What do people think?
PipSqueak What browser are you using? The dandelion content in the study was 2%, so 2g or 2000mg for every 100g fed. I made the assumption that a rat would be eating about 10g per day, so about 200mg caffeic acid per day. A mouse would be eating less. How did you come to 2000-3000mg per day? The advantage of having a stickied thread in the main sections is that people can continue to comment on them with little questions they might not want to make a new thread for. Although it would be good if the FAQ section were up to date. Perhaps the FAQ section could function as a "master list" of useful threads from all over the forum without the threads necessarily having to be moved there? Yea an FAQ list is a good idea I think, I always wonder if some people see the FAQ section at all, if they e.g head straight to the housing section and just post there. If we stickied the thread in the relevant live section and posted a link to it from the FAQ section, that would cover both bases. The only issue is we wouldn't want to do too many threads like that as we'd push regular threads quite some way down the page. Perhaps we should have sub forum sections added, with the FAQs for each section there? And then just move all of the threads out of the current FAQ section to their relevant live sub sections? (leaving a note saying where they've all gone of course). Re my caffiec acid quantity, good question! I can't remember now and will have to look into it, perhaps I added a 0 in error at some point?  |
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 8, 2021 13:41:36 GMT -8
Send them crazy as in they shove each other out of the way to get to it!
A sub forum for each section would work, or another idea would be one pinned thread in each section which contains links to all the important threads for that section.
I would agree that a lot of people probably don't read the FAQs. I didn't actually know they existed until recently. I don't know how I never noticed them but I suppose since they never had new posts I just scrolled past them.
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Post by betty on Dec 8, 2021 14:38:42 GMT -8
Me neither - I never really explored the whole forum for years when I started - it was only when somone linked to and FAQ once for something I actually went there and was like - how did I MISS all of these? But yes, they were never 'new' so they just sort of disappeared into the background.
We certainly need to find a way to keep them alive where ever we move them too don't we?
Perhaps by having a 'new person welcome thing to include the links to them at least means people can find them within a few weeks of starting out. And perhaps if some have been read before their first posts - perhaps the new posts will be set at a higher, more detailed level (as they have already gained a basic understanding of the topic?).
We can only dream...
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Post by Markpd on Dec 10, 2021 12:37:38 GMT -8
Perhaps by having a 'new person welcome' thing to include the links to them at least means people can find them within a few weeks of starting out. And perhaps if some have been read before their first posts - perhaps the new posts will be set at a higher, more detailed level (as they have already gained a basic understanding of the topic?).Yes! Good idea Send them crazy as in they shove each other out of the way to get to it! A sub forum for each section would work, or another idea would be one pinned thread in each section which contains links to all the important threads for that section. I would agree that a lot of people probably don't read the FAQs. I didn't actually know they existed until recently. I don't know how I never noticed them but I suppose since they never had new posts I just scrolled past them. I'd love to see a video of them going crazy for Peanut butter!  Ah a pinned thread with links to the FAQ is a great idea as we can do that right now! (unlike restructuring the forum itself, which I think at least me and betty have access to, but I wouldn't know how to do that offhand!). Btw, as a point of interest, did either of you (or any longer standing member) know there's a section of the forum that's hidden (but wasn't always), called Debates? (It has 15 threads and 188 posts, so I assume it's still there). No idea when it was hidden, but I remember stumbling across a thread in the mod section where they were talking about removing it to stop arguments! lol
I knew of the FAQ, but only discovered today that we have a Commercial food database there! We've so got to link them to the live forum sections!
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 10, 2021 13:51:49 GMT -8
I didn't know about that section.
While on the subject of hidden boards, I've been curious for a while what the second FAQ board (underneath the moderator board) is for? I see it has a few threads.
I think something that might help to draw attention to the FAQ section would be to move it out of the top section (where it's grouped in with forum announcements and rules, which people don't really read) and perhaps into the main section with all the other boards.
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Post by Markpd on Dec 10, 2021 14:01:47 GMT -8
I was curious about the 2nd FAQ board too, and was 1 of the 1st things I looked at as a mod! It holds partially completed FAQs (e.g gerbil genetics, which is a huge and detailed post, which was very nearly but not quite finished. Such a waste it wasn't posted back then in ~2007! Sadly, apparently it's out of date now, but betty is working on a new one  ). Oh it also held FAQs which were finished, and we've started using it for moving old out of date FAQs back there for reference (instead of deleting it immediately). And re moving the FAQ, a fair point, but that goes back to me not being confident about restructuring the forum atm
[edit] The Debates section is still there and I've gained access to it! I was right it was discussed in the mod section, but they weren't talking about removing it, but starting it, (it was the admin who was worried about arguments). Anyway, it's a link only section and passworded. It started in March 2009 and quietly died off Oct 2010, and ouf! After reading a little of a couple of threads, and titles, may it RIP! And no I'm not posting the link, lol  |
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 10, 2021 18:47:13 GMT -8
I was curious about the 2nd FAQ board too, and was 1 of the 1st things I looked at as a mod! It holds partially completed FAQs (e.g gerbil genetics, which is a huge and detailed post, which was very nearly but not quite finished. Such a waste it wasn't posted back then in ~2007! Sadly, apparently it's out of date now, but betty is working on a new one ). Oh it also held FAQs which were finished, and we've started using it for moving old out of date FAQs back there for reference (instead of deleting it immediately). And re moving the FAQ, a fair point, but that goes back to me not being confident about restructuring the forum atm
[edit] The Debates section is still there and I've gained access to it! I was right it was discussed in the mod section, but they weren't talking about removing it, but starting it, (it was the admin who was worried about arguments). Anyway, it's a link only section and passworded. It started in March 2009 and quietly died off Oct 2010, and ouf! After reading a little of a couple of threads, and titles, may it RIP! And no I'm not posting the link, lol It's so bad it has to remain buried? Fair enough. Maybe a board just for arguments (albeit respectful ones, in theory) isn't the best idea really. We can have differences of opinion in any thread, but a specific section for debate encourages people to be confrontational from the outset. |
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Post by Markpd on Dec 11, 2021 4:49:10 GMT -8
Ah sorry, that's not quite what I meant, to be fair I didn't see any heated arguments in the few bits of threads that I read, but with thread topics like abortion and capital punishment, that's practically asking for full on 'flame wars'! Perhaps with the very restricted people allowed to it, the arguments remained civil, but that wouldn't last! Hence, it can RIP! |
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 11, 2021 6:27:57 GMT -8
Oh so it wasn't just debate on gerbil topics? Yeah, that's best left hidden I think. We don't really need debates on highly controversial non-gerbil issues here.
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Post by Markpd on Dec 11, 2021 6:36:53 GMT -8
Yea it was a pure off topic forum, and agreed, we don't need it!
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Post by Markpd on Dec 15, 2021 13:35:48 GMT -8
LilyandDaisy Ok I see why we've got different figures now, I was referring to the 1991 study which detailed how much caffeic acid they were feeding the rats and mice. The intake of caffeic acid, calculated from the nominal dietary level, the mean food consumption, and the mean body weight, was higher in the first 3 months than during the remainder of the experiment. Excluding the first 3 months, the average caffeic acid intakes for males and females were 678 and 814 mg/kg/day in rats, and 2120 and 3126 mg/kg/day in mice, respectively.It seems I missed the 'kg' part of the 2100-3100 mg/day! Although I'm not sure what the kg refers to, per kg of food for all the rats/mice? That explains the huge factor I was out by! Actually, I'm still confused lol, by this. The dandelion content in the study was 2%, so 2g or 2000mg for every 100g fed. I made the assumption that a rat would be eating about 10g per day, so about 200mg caffeic acid per day. A mouse would be eating less. How did you come to 2000-3000mg per day? Don't you mean caffeic acid content in the study? Or are you referring to a study other than the 1991 one? (which works out to ~210 to 310 mg/100g feed, so 21-31mg/day for the mice, assuming they eat 10g/day, which I don't suppose they do!)
Btw, you may have seen that I've linked to every FAQ there is from each forum section, along with a link to discuss the FAQs in a thread in the OT section. I think your list is now ready to be the main list for the FAQ, so I'll move the old ones out of sight to the mod gerbil FAQ (and leave deleting them for a little, just in case). I'll leave it to you if you want to edit the title, or add any updates later on.
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Dec 15, 2021 13:50:48 GMT -8
I'll edit the title and I still need to clarify the chia seed issue (I forgot to buy them last week after all, but I put them on the supermarket online order today to arrive tomorrow, and then I can test whether gerbils eat them shell on or off). It should be ok to move it now though.
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), I like the straightforward lists at the beginning followed by detailed explanations 
. I certainly can't think of anything to add, oh and the superscript works for me 
As in they want it so badly? Or hyperactive after eating it?
), late 70s
). Oh it also held FAQs which were finished, and we've started using it for moving old out of date FAQs back there for reference (instead of deleting it immediately).