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Post by KatnissUna on Feb 8, 2023 17:21:05 GMT -8
My mom and I have been closely monitoring the colors of my now week old pups. We thought two of them were black, but appear to be golden agoutis instead, as they got some ticking. I checked out Shooting Star’s website and they are definitely golden agoutis… but that leaves the other two, Effie and Skye, they both do not have ticking quite yet, but I will upload pictures in a few days when their fuzz is more noticeable. Effie is clearly grey, we’ve been thinking grey agouti (she has black eyes), and Skye, she’s sort of white-grey, also black eyes. I’m not good with genetics, but the parents are Black (Rue, mother) and Golden Agouti (Timmy, father) We mostly are dying to know what Skye is, many possibilities, but with the genetics some of the colors we think she could be probably aren’t in the genetics. I guess we need a list of what she looks like and could be. And thoughts greatly appreciated on what either Effie or Skye could be, based on the picture. The picture isn’t the best lighting, but best I could get with my phone  Thanks! Update: Effie looks like she might be a light colorpoint slate… is that possible? She has a dark tail, and when we purchased the mother at a pet store, mother gerbil’s sisters looked like they might be a slate, or possibly colorpoint slate, but on the lighter side. Today, Skye looks a lot like a colorpoint agouti. imgur.com/a/HsNucRri got a better picture day after I posted so I will add it here. The 2 gerbils on the left are Effie and Skye (Skye lighter) imgur.com/a/BxnIN0t |
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Post by betty on Feb 10, 2023 8:50:34 GMT -8
I am totally rubbish at image guesses - but yes - those colours are possible:
Effie certainly looks more like L/CP Slate and Skye could be a L/CP (gray) agouti (all 4 of thoses colours look the same to me - but toenails as adults can help tell them apart - or Shooting Star).
Recessives can make any colour possible really if you don't know the full genecode of the parents - but looks like they may carry colourpoint (either cchm or ch for sure and most likely underwhite dilute (uwd) for sure. Maybe others still...
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Post by KatnissUna on Feb 11, 2023 11:06:28 GMT -8
imgur.com/a/OXTNLWQNew picture of Skye and Effie!!! Definitely thinking Skye is a colorpoint agouti, and Effie light colorpoint slate! Effie has a white chin stripe and her feet have white on them. Darker tail for sure like a Burmese/light colorpoint slate. Skye has brownish ticking now, as well as a definite dark tail, and slightly dark nose. Can anyone confirm the colors, or think they might be something else?
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Post by betty on Feb 15, 2023 9:48:18 GMT -8
I's say for sure on the LCP Slate on the right - but still with the grey I couldn't be sure.
All my CP Agoutis had the classic dark diamond/chevron on the tail - but I can't remember if the CP Gray Agoutis did too? I really should have paid more attention...
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Post by KatnissUna on Feb 15, 2023 12:46:21 GMT -8
I's say for sure on the LCP Slate on the right - but still with the grey I couldn't be sure. All my CP Agoutis had the classic dark diamond/chevron on the tail - but I can't remember if the CP Gray Agoutis did too? I really should have paid more attention... Ok, thank you! They’ve changed a lot in the past few days, Skye does have that diamond on her tail, and she is very white with the brown ticking, so pretty sure she’s a CP agouti. I did notice that my regular agoutis actually have that diamond/chevron on their tails as well, but I’m sure that’s not going to stick around long since I’ve never seen a golden agouti full grown with that. And the LCP slate one does definitely seem to look like my Oakley, who is a Burmese, and I raised him from a newborn (he was breed here) and he looked just like that. Burmese and LCP Slates look identical until they mature, and I’ve heard you can tell via the claw colors. I did notice too that her tail is for sure dark, and her nose/muzzle isn’t direct darker, but in certain lightings it is, and I’ve heard that’s a thing too with Burmese/LCP slates. |
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Post by betty on Feb 17, 2023 4:34:45 GMT -8
Yes indeed - Burmese and CP Slate are often confused when you only have one in front of you - I still need a double take with them. The Slate is definitely more grey and the Burmese more brown - but often this is difficult to see with a lone gerbil - as their colour can be affected not only by the temperature of the room at the time but also the light (ambient or man-made (and even the latter vary considerably)).
Adults do have more distinctive features (including the points which take months to come in fully) but often you can see the darker tails in Burmese and the greyer colour in CP Slates in most conditions - and of course the LCP is totally much lighter than a Burmese as they age so that one of the three can be pulled apart much sooner.
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Post by KatnissUna on May 10, 2023 16:31:26 GMT -8
I thought I would give a little update on their colors! Skye ended up being for sure a CP agouti, and Effie is I am thinking Burmese because of claw coloring!
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Post by betty on May 12, 2023 8:03:31 GMT -8
If in doubt wait MONTHS for the toenails to reach their final colour!!! I remember those days...
Well, at least we now have an answer for them both - great work (and great patience).
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