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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jan 12, 2005 5:58:15 GMT -8
I check the pups (or did) when they are about 10-14 days old. Than you could see bald spots on the belly of the female, the nipples. And this combined with the genitalia, I have not yet made a mistake. Or I have not heard it from the people who have purchased gerbils at my place.
But I have had doubts and mistakes with the gender of pups before selling them. Than I fist thought it was a females, and it turned out to be a male, or a male that was a female. It is indeed not always very clear when they are very young.
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Post by sweetie on Jan 12, 2005 10:54:09 GMT -8
Thanks Doom & Peter.
I did sex right at 10 days. It is obvious! Later though it was very difficult. Is food coloring okay to use to mark boys? I will mark the boys since there seem to always be fewer males in a litter. For example, MB has 6 and 2 are boys and Bandit has 5 and only one is a boy!
Peter, the boy might be an algerian fox ;)or a red fox. Queenie said you need a picture of an algerian correct?
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jan 12, 2005 13:13:00 GMT -8
Yes you can mark the pups! I've done this several times by cutting some hairs. I do not need a photo of an Algerian Fox (DEH), becasue I have had many of these colours, and still have. However, a photo of a red eyed honey or yellow fox is very helpfull! ;D
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Post by queenofthenile on Jan 12, 2005 16:51:40 GMT -8
I think that the pup Sweetie has is likely a red fox, so no luck there, Peter. I was hoping it would be a yellow fox because I knew you needed a picture .
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Post by sweetie on Jan 12, 2005 18:58:12 GMT -8
Okay, What's the difference between the two? THe color of the belly? Yellow fox has a white belly and the red fox has a solid belly? Or is it the opposite? The pictures are hard to see on the color strips. Not many pictures of the bellies.
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Post by queenofthenile on Jan 13, 2005 7:02:17 GMT -8
Your right, Sweetie. Actually, Peter's site explains the colour of the eyes, belly, nails and markings on the hairs. So the AGS strips together with Peter's explanations make it easier to understand.
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Post by sweetie on Jan 13, 2005 10:38:35 GMT -8
Thanks queenie? WHen I get a minute, I'll check it out.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jan 14, 2005 3:04:54 GMT -8
:)Algerian Fox (Dark Eyed Honey, Sooty Yellow) A-CCD-eeG-P- spsp Information: This colour exists a bit longer in the United States than in the Europe, but the first European Algerian foxes (Dark Eyed Honeys) were discovered in Poland. On 20 March 1993 the first gerbils with this colour were imported from the Poznan Zoo in Poland into Germany. In October 1994, Fred Petrij imported the first Algerian foxes into the Netherlands from Belgium, where they were a bit earlier. The name of this colour (Algerian Fox) did come from Germany, where they first thought that it was a different gerbil species from Algeria. After a while they discovered that this colour already existed in the United Stated where it was called Dark Eyed Honey (DEH). Until an age of 8-10 weeks the Algerian Fox has a bright yellow fur and all extremities are coloured dark. The hairs are from the base to the tip yellow. The hairs on the belly are white. As the gerbil gets older than 8-10 weeks the yellow will turn slowly into light orange and the hairs will get a black tip, which is called ticking. The hairs on the belly stay white, but with older animals the white will move slowly up along the flanks. Hair: :)Yellow Fox (Red Eyed Honey) A-CCD-eeG-pp spsp No picture yet! Do you have one? Send it! Information: The Yellow Fox or Red Eyed Honey is a Algerian Fox (or Dark Eyed Honey) with the mutation pp, besides ee. This causes the ruby-red eyes and the black pigment in the hairs will be diluted into grey. The yellow pigment stays unaffected. The result is a light Agerian Fox (Dark Eyed Honey) with ruby-red eyes. Hair:
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Post by sweetie on Jan 14, 2005 12:23:34 GMT -8
Thanks Peter. I actually made the time to check into your website. I have a Red Fox I fear and I am thinking of neutering Honeymunch since I found a vet and it is a reasonable fee. What are the odds that he and Bandit would have a Yellow Fox? I could try one more litter!!
I am in love with the coloring of Bear & Squirt's litter. I can't wait to see what the next one will look like!
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Post by queenofthenile on Jan 15, 2005 6:37:13 GMT -8
From the litters you've had so far, I would say you have 1 chance in 8 of getting yellow fox in the next litter. Bandit and Honeymunch are capable of having them, but they should be in a lower proportion compared to DEH and nutmeg.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jan 17, 2005 7:51:09 GMT -8
A Red Fox has indeed a coloured belly. You could also call it a red eyed nutmeg!
:)Argente Nutmeg (Red Fox, Orange, Saffron)
aaCCD-eeG-pp spsp Information: An Argente Nutmeg or Red Fox has a bright orange colour. As well on their back as on their belly. The have no ticking (dark tips on their hair). They have light coloured ears and paws. The eyes and nails are light brown coloured.
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Post by Ritzie/Admin on Jan 17, 2005 8:21:42 GMT -8
Bandit and Honeymunch are an DEH and a nutmeg? And have pups with red eyes? And nutmegs and red foxes as pups? Than their genetics are probably: DEH: AaCCDDeeGGPp spsp Nutme: aaCCDDeeGGPp spsp Than are the pups: AaPP (DEH): 1/8 (12,5 %) AaPp (DEH): 2/8 (25 %) Aapp (Yellow Fox): 1/8 (12,5 %) aaPP (Nutmeg): 1/8 (12,5 %) aaPp (Nutmeg): 2/8 (25 %) aapp (Red Fox): 1/8 (12,5 %) Oh, I just realise something!!! We as moderators are not giving the right example. ;D We have changed the topic and continued as it started on how long inbred gerbil live!
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Post by sweetie on Jan 21, 2005 10:39:37 GMT -8
OOPS. Guilty as charged. Yes. I have a red eyed fox! What is the possibility that they would have a yellow fox. She has only birthed 5 at a time and most are DEH's?
I shall start a new thread for this.
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Post by ecoa on Mar 20, 2005 15:24:28 GMT -8
What is inbred? I know it sounds stupid but I don't know? Ecoa
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Post by sandy on Mar 20, 2005 21:08:53 GMT -8
inbred means that the gerbil's parents were closely related, such as brother and sister, mother and son, father and daughter.
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