What colours could they be?

[pixytwinkle]

does anyone have any ideas what colours molly and mistys babies could be?
Molly is a golden agouti and misty is a dove.
There last litter they had i white 2 saphire/lilac and one that looked alot like a grey agouti. In their new litter that was born yesterday there are 4 with dark eyes and 3 with red eyes do you think she might have a black one? im really curious what colours they will be.
pixytwinkle

[pixytwinkle]

also when will i be able to tell what colors they are?

[callimico]

congrats on the pups!!

Well Golden Agouti's carry A-C-E-G-P-
Dove's Carry aaCchE-G-pp

So all their pups would be golden agouti. But because they had lilac's last litter (Could only have Sapphire if dad carried chm, then they would have lcp agouti, PEW, Topaz and siamese to) that means dad carries recessive a and p, at least.

Which means possible pup colors are:
1/4 Golden Agouti
1/4 Black
1/8 Argente Golden
1/8 Argente Cream
1/8 Lilac
1/8 Dove

Of course it rarely works out statistically

With the Grey agouti pup, color potential:

38% Golden Agouti and Black
38% Argente Golden, Argente Cream, Lilac, Dove

1/4 Gray Agouti, Slate, Ruby Eyed White, Ivory Cream, Light Ivory Cream

A lot of beautiful colors possible ;D how old are the pups now? Can you see any color shade difference in the red-eyed pups yet? If they had lilacs, and dark eyed pups they can have black pups, it's only a matter of when if they have any pure white pup you'll know they carry Gg- and can have a nice variety of colors.

At 4-5 days old you should be able to tell colors pretty well, except it would be really hard to distinguish between lt. verse regular colors, and some of the lighter colors you may have to wait longer to see. It's always so much fun guessing colors ;D

[pixytwinkle]

thanx for the help . the pups are 5 days old but still only have a really small bit of fur you can hardly see it. The 4 dark pups look extremely dark though and the light ones are still pink. i dont think i will ever understand all these genetics
you said that if they have any pure white pups they carry Gg and last litter they had a pure white pup so does that mean they do carry Gg? sorry if i sound a bit stupid i dont understand genetics much

[callimico]

lol, yeah genetics are tricky. If they had a white pup and a gray agouti they do carry Gg, which is rare, but lucky ;D Did you find homes for the pups from the last litter, or decide to keep them?

So your pair is:
Mom's genetics: AaCCE-GgPp
Dad's genetics: aaCchEEGgpp

So in a litter, what you should get percent-wise:

Dark Pups with Dark-eyes:
Golden Agouti 19%
Black 19%
Gray Agouti 6.3%
Slate 6.3%

Light pups with red eyes:
Argente Golden 9.5%
Argente Cream 9.5%
Lilac 9.5%
Dove 9.5%
REW 6.3%

Light pups with dark-eyes:
1/16 Ivory Cream
1/16 Light IVory Cream

Since you had gray agouti, lilac and REW last litter, its less likely you'll have them again this litter. The light pups (if they all have red-eyes) have the greatest chance of being Argente, but if they have dark-eyes are Ivory Cream. You should get some golden agouti or black this litter to, especially if you didn't last litter. If you notice a subtle shade difference in the really dark pups, the darkest are black, the lighter agouti. If there's a color inbetween that, it should be slate.

Do you have any pictures? I'd like to see the pups With more in a litter they develop slower, so it might take longer before their color can be ID'd.

I'm Glad all the pups are doing well, Molly must be a good mom

[piffthegerbl]

Pixy-I know how it is, I don't understand genetics either it is very tricky...I don't understand how you can tell what genes your gerbils have.

[pixytwinkle]

thanx thats made it alot clearer
I have got some photos but i dont know how to pt them on the computer
I really hope some of them are black. One of the light pups looks a little darker than the others and there is a really dark pup too.

[queenofthenile]

I don't mean to interject, but ivory creams actually have ruby eyes.

[callimico]

lol, wow, I just ran over the genetics to see what colors they'd have and got aa C- E- gg pp as a possibility and the pp didn't even click I think my mind was on polar foxes, I may be getting one, or an apricot pup next month ;D

pixy- did you take the pics with a digital camera? It should have come with some sort of cable to plug into the computer (I'm really bad with proper terms, I don't know what it's called), and then they can be saved directly into a folder on the computer. After that you just upload them onto a site on teh internet, like photobucket, and post

[pixytwinkle]

yeah there on a digital camera and we did get something to connect it to the computer but then once the photos are on the comp i cant find them. i can save them all straight to a disk. would this work and would i be able to put them in photo bucket?

[doomgerbiluk]

do save to disk and set the disc as yoru desktop
what I do is ahve a file named picture store on my desktop and all my pics go in there
they will all go on a DVD-RW when I get it sorted

[devun]

Callimico said: "Since you had gray agouti, lilac and REW last litter, its less likely you'll have them again this litter."

Why is that? I dont' know anything about genetics...

[callimico]

Well, that's statistically. A lot of the time it doesn't work out that way.

A different pair, golden agouti and black should have been 1/2 black, 1/2 Golden agouti
as

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Gives
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but 5 were black, 2 agouti.


This pair should have these %'s "statistically" but it rarely happens that way.
19% Golden Agouti
19% Black
9.5% Argente Golden
9.5% Argente Cream
9.5% Lilac
9.5% Dove
6% Gray Agouti
6% REW
6% Slate
6% Ivory Cream and Lt. IVory Cream

Since only 6% should be gray agouti, and 6% REW and their were already both those colors in the first litter, usually the second litter has a different color, such as slate or Ivory Cream in this case, so in the end, after all the litters, number of each pup colors resemble above. But it will never work out perfectly, just on average.

[pixytwinkle]

im pretty sure one of the pups is either dove or lilac one looks white and another light pups looks like it has a tiny tint of cream what would this be would it be argent cream or argent golden.
i think most of the dark pups are golden agouti although 2 of them look darker. i will try and get the photos working by this weekend ;D

[callimico]

The creamy pups could be argente, or maybe even Ivory cream? Hope you get some black pups this time, can't wait to see your pics ;D