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Post by callimico on Feb 27, 2005 10:26:39 GMT -8
Taffy and Pepper had their first litter of 5 little dark-eyed pups february 20, 2005. ;D I was really excited about this litter because I was sure I’d get some nutmegs and DEH’s. Peppers mother is a nutmeg (aa CC ee GG Pp) and her father is a DTW (aa chch EE Gg PP) Taffy is a Honey Cream, his father was a pied polar fox(carrying Pp), his mother was a black (aa Cch Ee GG Pp). So their known genetics: Aa Cch ee Gg Pp aa Cch Ee G- P- It’s possible Pepper carries Gg and Pp, but all the pups were dark-eyed in this litter. It looks like I have one Agouti, one Pied Agouti, one Tuxedo Black, one Pied DEH (possible she’s a nutmeg- belly isn’t same color as the rest of her though). The last pup is the mystery color. She’s very light furred, with dark eyes, ears, and tail. Could she be polar fox? She looks like other polar fox pups I’ve seen, if mom did carry Gg, I would have 4% polar fox, 4% silver nutmeg, but should have a much higher percent of slates and Gray Agoutis. But I was also wondering, I didn’t get any DTW even though chch is a high percent, I also didn’t get any nutmeg even though ee should have been equal to Ee pups. In the genetics calculator there is one color that comes up, in a high percent unknown. Could this pup be the “unknown color”. Is it possible to tell if she carries Aa or aa? All the pups are girls except for the solid Agouti, my first female majority litter!! 3 of the pups at 3 days old (momentarily placed out of the nest for a clear shot): Here’s a picture of the litter at a few days old: A picture today, at one week old: All the pups again: The agouti, black, with mystery pup in center: The pied DEH, pied Agouti, and mystery pup: Mom and Dad (does he look to carry Cch?) cleaning pups in my hand: Please let me know what you think!! ;D ;D
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Post by paws on Feb 27, 2005 10:54:25 GMT -8
AW! CUte pups! I don't know, but I thought the mystery was a siamese!
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Post by moghedien on Feb 27, 2005 15:16:31 GMT -8
The mystery pup I think is definitely an ee something, taking those dark points into account. Looks a lot like a polar fox, just from looking at the AGS color strips, www.agsgerbils.org/Color_Strip/polar_fox.html . Or perhaps the mom's color? Honey cream? That seems perhaps more likely since it doesn't seem like any of the other pups carry gg.
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Post by callimico on Feb 27, 2005 17:35:02 GMT -8
She does look a lot like the pup in that link, but I can't see in the pic, do polar fox pups also have dark tails? I'd love for her to be polar fox, but like you said, none of hte other pups are gg, so Pepper probably carries GG. She could be honey cream, but the only thing is she has even white coloring throughout, no hint of light orange anywhere, and the color is even white, doesn't appear to be pied Maybe it'll show as she gets older though... I was thinking the mystery pup might carry: Aa chch ee G- P- or aa chch ee G- P- Same as DTW but no red eyes, quite a few of the pups should get this combo, do you know if it has a color title?
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Post by queenofthenile on Feb 27, 2005 18:25:07 GMT -8
I'm thinking light DEH, as this is the only colour that would give the dark extremeties and light colouring, without gg. Since both parents carry Ch, that should happen. Other colours she could be if Pepper carries g: polar fox and silver nutmeg. I'm leaning towards light DEH, however.
The "unknown" that you get from the genetics calculator (ChCh ee) will also be DTW, or perhaps closer to PEW. Anytime you have ChCh, no matter what the other genes are, you will get a white gerbil with pink eyes. ChCh always gives red/pink eyes.
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Post by callimico on Feb 27, 2005 19:01:37 GMT -8
wow, yeah I should of known that. I guess the pup is lt. DEH, or honey cream then. Thanks for clearing it up
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Post by sandy on Feb 27, 2005 23:49:46 GMT -8
Do you know for sure that both parents carry c(h) and one doesn't actually carry c(chm) instead? If so, you might have a spotted siamese with one e recessive, which would be a siamese which is very light in the body. If so then it will be a strikingly beautiful gerbil.
I would expect to see more gold in the coat with a honey cream. We'll have to wait and see if that nose gets darker as it matures...
Lovely, sweet pups you've got there!
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Post by queenofthenile on Feb 28, 2005 6:23:18 GMT -8
sandy, I was under the impression that a pup with only one e will not have the dark eyes and nose of an ee gerbil. The pup definately looks ee to me. If one of the parents is Cchm, than the pup could also be cp DEH or cp nutmeg.
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Post by pixytwinkle on Feb 28, 2005 7:45:16 GMT -8
lovely pups Callimico! ;D
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Post by callimico on Feb 28, 2005 10:33:34 GMT -8
Thanks pixytwinkle ;D Actually all I know is Pepper, the mom, carries Cch (her dad was DTW), but I don't know if Taffy carries Cch, another person with a pup from the same parent's thought his gerbil carried Ccb, but later decided on Cch. I just assumed Taffy carries Cch because it's more common then Cchm...funny thing is his parent's had regular DEH pups, lt DEH, honey cream, agouti, argente golden, and a slightly "off" argente color, the breeder said, but she wasn't sure if it was cream or not. Maybe a topaz pup? If he did carry Ccb that would explain no red-eyed DTW pups... Another question, does the other pied DEH pup look like a DEH? I wasn't sure if all DEH pups were born that light, or if she carried Cch? Hopefully they'll have some nutmegs next litter, I was suprised how many Aa pups they had unless the white pup is CP nutmeg, it would be more balanced, 2/5 rather then 1/5 self pups.
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Post by sandy on Feb 28, 2005 13:40:24 GMT -8
Tell you what, queenie, I will breed a siamese with Ee and find out. ;D Actually, I think the very light siamese I saw online carried a schimmel gene. It did look a lot like that pup, with strikingly dark eyes, ear tips and tail, dove grey nose, and white body.
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Post by moghedien on Feb 28, 2005 15:19:56 GMT -8
Oo, do you have any pics or a link to the pic? I'm very curious to see the variation in color you're talking about. Especially since I might be able to breed some, depending on whether my yellow fox carries c[chm] or not (hard to tell)... interesting thought, anyway.
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Post by callimico on Mar 1, 2005 17:45:41 GMT -8
Just an update on the mystery pup. She’s still white with dark points, and is getting a dark nose. So guesses are: Lt. DEH Spotted Siamese (I noticed tip of her tail is white, can see in the earlier pics, so maybe she is spotted, especially comapred to the agouti and black pup, with their solid tails) Honey Cream Lcp nutmeg/DEH Polar Fox Are those the possibilities? She and the agouti are the big movers, pushing their little sisters out of the way to nurse from mom first I'll take some more pics on the weekend, by then her color should be clear, right? Thanks for your help everyone ;D
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Post by sandy on Mar 1, 2005 19:10:48 GMT -8
Actually it will take about 8 weeks for her colour to settle, because both ee and colourpoint pups don't get ticking until then.
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Post by Ed on Mar 7, 2005 5:50:29 GMT -8
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