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Post by j on Aug 3, 2004 7:41:01 GMT -8
Wow. Did you guys see her older post about the second gerbil in the general info section? Gosh, thanks! I'm not sure I'll ever get them together however. It seems the new one is a bit nippy. He pulled my skin so hard it looked like he was going to take it with him. I blew in his face as suggested for biters. He let go very reluctantly. No blood, though. LOL I stupidly put him in Mocha's cage and that is when he started nipping me. Before that he would just sniff my hand. Oopsies! I dunno why I did that. Now I won't even try to put them together, I think. Oh well. This get together could take a very loong time. I don't have much patience these days.She didn't even try because it nipped her? what the f..? She sounds like a nutcase. 46yrs old and does stupid things, then says "oopsies"... Nutcase.
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Post by queenofthenile on Aug 3, 2004 7:47:51 GMT -8
You guys, although Gerbettte may have acted a bit childish in response to some of the posts (the best action is to ignore posts that make you upset), I think that the level of response has gotten very rude.
If GerbilCrazy had responded to one of my posts like that, I probably would have freaked as well! Can we please keep this forum kind and friendly? We're all old enough to know that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. If you want to help change someone's behaviour through this forum, it is best to talk to them nicely, otherwise they'll just leave as Gerbette did. All this rudeness just meant that we lost a forum member and now she is just going deal with her gerbil in the same manner as before she came here. Maybe if we had all treated her with respect, she would still be here, and would have come to understand what was best for her little guy.
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Post by sweetie on Aug 3, 2004 11:15:12 GMT -8
My goodness!! I really am tired of reading ignorant posts by people who obviously need to grow up themselves. Why can't you respond to the issue and keep your own beliefs out of it!STICK TO THE FACTS!! Yes every one has their own beliefs. It does not mean you need to impose your beliefs on others or that your beliefs are superior. The one's replying rudely are the ones loosing credibility. None of you have the right to intentionally attack some one's character, choices, or beliefs.
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Post by floppy on Aug 3, 2004 15:44:34 GMT -8
Sweetie, we were just responding to the facts to begin with. The fact is, everytime any of us post on this or any other forum, we risk critisism. Most often we will learn from it. Gerbette however couldn't take constructive critisism and she began to lash out at us for expressing our opinion. We in turn done the same back I guess. It may have been wrong but everyone who replied was concerned about the welfare of the gerbil in question. That's why we're all here isn't it? Because we love our pets...if anyone thinks another person is doing something wrong it's our job as more experienced gerbil keepers to tell them. Not one person here has said (or thought) that their beliefs were better than anyone elses. But it's a free country and we are all entitled to express our opinions! I do agree with you that some opinions were expressed in a bad way, but what gerbette was saying did make us all very angry with her.
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Post by queenofthenile on Aug 3, 2004 15:54:53 GMT -8
Agreed. You're dumb. You have no patience. No money. Toys and your stupid hand won't make him happy. He needs someone to sleep with. Kind of like people. Floppy, this post by gerbilcrazy did not seem within any possible bounds of politeness. I don't care if the forum members don't agree with her, there is no excuse for rudeness! Also, your post was rude too: People like you are selfish and shouldn't be allowed to keep pets. It's no wonder the poor thing hates you! I'm sorry but all this was really uncalled for. This is a forum to discuss our pets and help other understand what is best for their pets. This is not a place for flaming. I think people should reread what they have said before they post it. So many things can sound rude and contrite if not worded in the right way. People on the receiving end can't tell your emotions from text. Although, in this situation, it wasn't really about that, the comments were just plain offensive and uncalled for. No one deserves to be treated with so little respect!
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Post by J2 on Aug 3, 2004 16:48:46 GMT -8
Gerbette however couldn't take constructive critisism and she began to lash out at us for expressing our opinion. what gerbette was saying did make us all very angry with her. I agree. Some of you probably just missed her posts. You had to read them in context. Nobody really got rude with her untill that post about putting the gerbil in a ball every single day and he sits there. I'm sorry but a person (especially a 47yrold, this wasn't a kid!) should NOT have to be told 'Your gerbil does not like the ball", it should be common sense... This post is what really made everyone mad... And to pick Sweetie to quote of all people because she was obviously offended by the check the shelters comments. And she got all defensive when asked about putting the son's gerbil and hers together. I don't think she wanted help. She just came here to female dog and complain that the gerbil isn't tame, she has no money and no time for it. Keywords "no luck' "I give up" "Now I won't even try to put them togehter" (Peter posted links about the split cage.. I doubt she even read them)
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Post by J2 on Aug 3, 2004 16:49:36 GMT -8
Gerbette however couldn't take constructive critisism and she began to lash out at us for expressing our opinion. what gerbette was saying did make us all very angry with her. I agree. Some of you probably just missed her posts. You had to read them in context. Nobody really got rude with her untill that post about putting the gerbil in a ball every single day and he sits there. I'm sorry but a person (especially a 47yrold, this wasn't a kid!) should NOT have to be told 'Your gerbil does not like the ball", it should be common sense... This post is what really made everyone mad... And to pick Sweetie to quote of all people because she was obviously offended by the check the shelters comments. And she got all defensive when asked about putting the son's gerbil and hers together. I don't think she wanted help. She just came here to female dog and complain that the gerbil isn't tame, she has no money and no time for it. Keywords: "no luck' "I give up" "Now I won't even try to put them togehter" (Peter posted links about the split cage.. I doubt she even read them)
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Post by floppy on Aug 3, 2004 16:51:11 GMT -8
Queen, the portion of my post that you are referring to was in answer to what gerbette had said. I know it seems rude but if she hadn't deleted her posts you would have read what I was replying to.
"This is a forum to discuss our pets and help others understand what is best for their pets." That's exactly what people were trying to do here. It's unfair of you to pick out bits of our posts when gerbettes have been deleted. I agree that some of my post may have been rude but it was only in response to gerbette's rudeness.
"the comments were just plain offensive and uncalled for" I have to disagree with you on this one. They were called for!
I'm not going to keep defending myself on this post. I said what I felt at the time, and right or wrong, it was what I felt after reading her posts. I am not going to pu$$y foot around people in case they get offended! I gave honest opinions on what I thought of her treatment and lack of care or love for her gerbil.
Gerbette expressed her opinions on this board and they were rude. We expressed ours back which were also rude. At the end of the day, we are all entitled to express our opinions. If everyone was to agree with us the world would be a very boring place!
It's not the first and it won't be the last time that I speak up to someone who I feel is being cruel to an animal.
I hope that's put an end to this.
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Post by j on Aug 3, 2004 16:51:36 GMT -8
Sorry didn't mean to double post. Wasn't logged in. I guess you can't say the B word either. Sensor changed it to "pregnant dog" lol My bad.
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Post by floppy on Aug 3, 2004 16:54:57 GMT -8
J, I had that problem too...it changed pu$$y foot to 'girl thingy'!! lol
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Post by j on Aug 3, 2004 17:09:35 GMT -8
LOL!@girl thingy
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Post by queenofthenile on Aug 3, 2004 17:13:10 GMT -8
Floppy, I understand why you got mad. I really do! I just think that regardless of what someone posts, we shouldn't resort to this sort of behaviour. I had already read what Gerbette had posted and then deleted. We don't have to take the bait. Just because some one else is acting completely crazy doesn't justify being rude.
I think it was very obvious that Gerbette was not acting in the best interest of the gerbil. I don't think we needed to spout inflamatory remarks at her, because it certainly won't make her change.
I really wasn't trying to single you out, Floppy. I just wanted to point out that we *all* can get out of hand because we love these gerbs so much. I'm sorry if I did not make that clear enough. I really just want this to be a safe place to discuss our gerbs. I think this sort of posting makes the forum members here have less credibility and people will not stick around if they are afraid they will get yelled at. I just hope we can keep this place clean and say things in a constructive way.
I do have one question, however. Did Gerbette post before or after the post by gerbilcrazy? I was assuming after, because I thought her rudeness was in defense to what gerbilcrazy had said. If she had posted before that comment, then I agree, she obviously took some constructive criticism the wrong way.
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Post by floppy on Aug 3, 2004 17:24:20 GMT -8
Queen, I think it may have been after gerbilcrazy's post but I can't be sure. It was either right before or right after (before my 'rude' post!) I do agree that this should be a nice place to discuss our pets. It also should be a place to learn about them and the best way to learn is from people who have more experience than us, which is why I can't understand why she came here and asked our advice in the first place if she wasn't going to take it on board! I'm sorry I didn't just bite my tongue now!
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Post by sweetie on Aug 5, 2004 6:31:05 GMT -8
Wow!!! I hope we can yet learn from this again!! I think that we tend to think of the gerbils first and the people second. I also think that if you respond negatively and rudely then no matter how RIGHT your information is it won't be accepted. I know that when I first started this, I had no where else to go since I exhausted ALL of my resources. I LOVE this forum !! You are all extremely knowledgable and have a lot to offer. Please don't loose your credibility and devalue your expertise by being rude! I really have a lot of respect for you all but hate to see rude posting because Gerbette (?) obivously did not have a clue. We really could have helped her!!
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Post by j on Aug 5, 2004 23:50:11 GMT -8
I think she did post AFTER gerbilcrazy's post. But still. It wasn't just gerbilcrazy that offended her. GerbilCrazy did not mention shelters, she was also offended by that. There is a difference between people who have no clue and are sincerely looking for advice and are willing to learn and take it, then people who have no patience and don't even bother. People that mentioned it needing a buddy, she completely ignored the advice. The only thing she cared about was (queen i think?) giving her suggestions on just letting her sniff her hand to tame it. In my opinion, taming that gerbil would be impossible after all that poor thing has been through. Personally, I don't regret my rudeness. She was beyond help.
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