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Post by dodowvogel on Feb 4, 2015 9:44:10 GMT -8
Dear Gerbil Lovers! Any first ideas of what colours my second litter has? They are now four days old. The father is a non-spotted CP Nutmeg with the following known genes: aacbcbeeG-Pp The mother is a spotted siamese with the following known genes: aacbchE-G-P-(SPsp)  My Guesses: #1 - #2 Siamese #3 Burmese #4 - #5 Spotted Burmese #6 - |
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Post by betty on Feb 4, 2015 11:19:28 GMT -8
The only colours guaranteed from that are the Siamese and Burmese, and it is still early days for some of the paler colours to come though. You could have some LCP and CP Slates in there and they look quite similar to Burmese.
Do you have the colours from their previous litter or siblings of your parents?
The paler ones could be the ee gene coming together...
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Feb 4, 2015 12:44:29 GMT -8
My Guesses:
#1 Siamese
#2 Siamese Spot (this may possibly be another color, but its too early to tell)
#3 Burmese
#4 Siamese
#5 Spotted Burmese
#6 Siamese
Also spotting is written as Sp+ not SPsp
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Post by dodowvogel on Feb 7, 2015 11:00:49 GMT -8
My Guesses: #1 Siamese #2 Siamese Spot (this may possibly be another color, but its too early to tell) #3 Burmese #4 Siamese #5 Spotted Burmese #6 Siamese Also spotting is written as Sp+ not SPsp Thanks for correcting me and thanks for your guesses! UpdateThe pups are more than a week old now (8th day). Here is a picture of the litter, minus one deceased pup. Any guesses on the colours now?=)  My guesses
(from l/r)#1 Burmese/CP Slate[/i] #2 Siamese (Lighter than #4)#3 Spotted Siamese #4 Siamese/LCP Slate (Darker than #2)#5 Spotted Burmese  They are not in the same line as the previous picture. Gerbil here is in the previous pic: First gerb: #4 in first pic Second gerb: #5 in first pic Third gerb: #2 in first pic Fourth gerb: #1 in first pic Fifth gerb: #3 in first pic |
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Feb 9, 2015 7:14:30 GMT -8
You don't have LCPS, a LCPS looks nearly identical to Burmese.
What you do have, from the looks of it. is your CP Nutmeg parents, is in fact a CP Agouti. Because you look to have CP Agouti's in the litter. Which i suspected initially, but wasn't very convinced of.
Can you post pictures of the parents???
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Post by dodowvogel on Feb 9, 2015 8:33:32 GMT -8
You don't have LCPS, a LCPS looks nearly identical to Burmese. What you do have, from the looks of it. is your CP Nutmeg parents, is in fact a CP Agouti. Because you look to have CP Agouti's in the litter. Which i suspected initially, but wasn't very convinced of. Can you post pictures of the parents??? An agouti would be very very unlikely. The father already had a litter with 0 of the 7 agouti, while there would be a 50% chance (Aa and aa). The siblings (from 3 different litters), the father (wodka), also do not include agouti's, only (l)cp nutmeg, siamese and burmese. Also the mother (whiskey) didnt have a agouti sibling. Pictures:
 Litter today ----  Gerbilpups #1 and #5 from the first pic in this post. Noses and coat colour look different. ----  Mother in the foreground (spotted Siamese), dad in the background. ----  Whiskey; Spotted Siamese ----  Whiskey; Spotted Siamese ----  Wodka; Supposed to be a CP Nutmeg Thanks! |
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Post by betty on Feb 9, 2015 11:50:03 GMT -8
Well then the only way to get the CP Agoutis was if Wodka was actually a CP Polar Fox? But if no other Ags before?? (and by Ag's I mean gerbil colours on the Agouti side not just actual Agoutis (so Polar Foxes and CP Agoutis included)).
Do you have any of the other pups all growed up? It might be that they were all CP Ags - the A gene equivalent of Burmese and Siamese - and you just assumed they were like the father because they were equally pale and you homed them before their first true moult? Just thinking of this logically as it makes the most sense genetically.
aa chmchm = Colourpoint Black (Burmese) aa chmch = Light Colourpoint Black (Siamese)
A* chmchm = Colourpoint Agouti (No Name) A* chmch = Light Colourpoint Agouti (No Name either)
The two greys will be different colours if one is a LCP from the Siamese and one is just CP.
Hmm?
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Feb 10, 2015 12:08:56 GMT -8
A color point polar fox is a black eyed white and so is a CP Dark eyed Honey. Both are Black eyed whites. I am stumped on Wodka. Shooting Star The nail are not dark enough to be a CPN or CP Agouti (which wodka does not appear to be). So your color point nutmeg is something more than just a simple CPN. It could be a LCPN, or a CPN with ef, or it could be a CPSN w/o ef (less likely). I'm also a little perplexed as to why the two pups are a shade off of each other, like a full shade off. The difference in ear color alone is quite substantial. If i assume they are both Siamese... Literally stumped right now. I'm starting to wonder if you have dd mixed into this bunch. |
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Post by Shooting Star on Feb 10, 2015 13:30:07 GMT -8
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Post by dodowvogel on Feb 10, 2015 13:39:20 GMT -8
I'll post a picture of the first litter when I'm at home. This is the first litter with Whiskey and Wodka. Wodka had another litter with shequi (sapphire, also in the topic you referred to). It contained 2 pink eyed whites, 3 light nutmegs, 1 (l)cp nutmeg/black eyed white, and one sapphire. |
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Post by dodowvogel on Feb 10, 2015 18:07:36 GMT -8
I'll post a picture of the first litter when I'm at home. This is the first litter with Whiskey and Wodka. Wodka had another litter with shequi (sapphire, also in the topic you referred to). It contained 2 pink eyed whites, 3 light nutmegs, 1 (l)cp nutmeg/black eyed white, and one sapphire. Here are the pictures of the first litter. I noticed in the pictures one of the nutmegs is darker than the other two. Mother: Shequi (http://gerbilforum.proboards.com/thread/30308/colour-4-gerbs) Colour: Sapphire Genotype: aaCcbD-EeG-pp Father: Wodka (http://gerbilforum.proboards.com/thread/30308/colour-4-gerbs) Assumed Colour: CP Nutmeg Assumed Genotype: aacbcbD-eeG-Pp Size of the litter: 7  3 Nutmegs, left one darker than the other I thought they were all light nutmegs (Ccb), but I'm not so sure right now. A normal nutmeg isn't possible due to the fact it has to have 2 CC. If Shequi is a Dove, maybe the difference could be caused by them being Cch and a Ccb nutmeg? This is also possible if wodka was an LCP nutmeg and Shequi a Sapphire. -----  The whole litter. colour difference between the nutmegs less noticable. 2 PEWs, genotypes unknown. On the right is Ieniemienie (http://gerbilforum.proboards.com/thread/30308/colour-4-gerbs), assumed to be a Sapphire, just like mom. One of the white ones (I can't figure out which one in this pic) had black eyes, and now has a black nose and dark ears. Below is a picture of 1 PEW, the black eyed white one, and one of the nutmegs at their new owner. ----  I know you can't see the nails, but assuming Wodka is a CPN and Shequi is a Sapphire, the upper white gerbil would be an CPN, just like his dad. Thanks everyone for your help =)! |
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Post by dodowvogel on Feb 10, 2015 18:27:55 GMT -8
I'm starting to wonder if you have dd mixed into this bunch. I've read somewhere on this forum that dd genes could cause health problems. If these genes are in the mix, that could explain the death of the sixth gerbil pup (http://gerbilforum.proboards.com/thread/30348/deceased-gerbil-pup-any-thoughts?page=1&scrollTo=272129). |
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Post by MoonstoneGerbils on Feb 11, 2015 8:34:10 GMT -8
No, you had a runt in the litter, which appears to be the one that is missing. It doesn't look like its extra light like the one i suspect might be dd, it probably died becuase it was runty.
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Post by betty on Feb 11, 2015 10:53:23 GMT -8
Any more snaps of the grey pups in this litter?
It's been 3 days now so their colour could be more obvious and more like an aa colour than previously...
Thanks
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Post by dodowvogel on Feb 12, 2015 4:35:19 GMT -8
Any more snaps of the grey pups in this litter? It's been 3 days now so their colour could be more obvious and more like an aa colour than previously... Thanks Here are some snaps of them today. They are now 12 days old =)   |
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