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Post by southy on Mar 6, 2023 10:57:54 GMT -8
Re sharing the photo, you could just post the link to it here, rather than linking it as an image (the [img_] tags), that way people can see it or not by choice. Yea I see that you'd want to be with them until their last days, but that's not fair to them if they're suffering. And yea surgery is risky, my vet told me there's a 25% chance of small mammals not recovering from the anaesthetic! But that's a separate choice as to whether to put a pet to sleep. Not sure why you think your china cabinet could have caused the SGT (like you said, they commonly happen anyway), what was in that cabinet then? well its official now both gerbils have sgt/infection of sg... baby Scooter is now bleeding profusely from his sg... idk what to do cause surgerys so expensive qnd its risky.. even euthanasia is expensive, i guess im letting them suffer but taking them to the vet multiple trips, last time the vet broke Mickeys leg and he was better off just not going... im not sure if i will take his hro Scooter to the vet... i wanted to breed him cause hes so pretty and is kind of a chill gerbil (he doesnt run on wheel alot XD) ... sigh..maybe i should get him surgery...but its sooo expensive.. heres Mickey after he died. the infection looks like it spread over his entire underside. ibb.co/6wWvTyL is it really SGT? or a general infection. baby Scooter is bleeding alot. hes resting now but heres the blood stain on his "litter box" and hes got blood on his nose and on some of the litter. i guess if i want to get him surgery i should call the vet asap. ibb.co/6450cRmas for the china cabinet, well they both have sgts and my other 2 who are a month older do not.. i took these 2 traveling with me and thats the only environment i can think of that maybe triggered sgt/infection my bad. the other 2 also run on their metal wheel alot and also have a tank topper
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Mar 6, 2023 11:34:20 GMT -8
I'm sorry that Scooter is sick too. It must be terrible for you to go through this again. He does look quite unwell and probably in pain in that photo.
I think something needs to be done for Scooter, whether it's surgery, medication (this isn't sufficient in all cases) or euthanasia. Each option costs money of course, but I think if you explain your situation to a vet, they may be willing to help with a payment plan or even reduced cost treatment, even if all they can offer is euthanasia. Nobody wants to leave an animal in pain.
Mickey looked very uncomfortable towards the end of his life so if Scooter has the same thing, I'm sure you don't want him to suffer in the same way.
Please keep us updated on what you decide. I know it can be hard sometimes balancing treatment decisions and finances but Scooter does need help.
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Post by Markpd on Mar 6, 2023 12:31:10 GMT -8
Yea agreed, and sorry to hear that Scooter's ill too . Are their any animal charities near you that could help?
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Post by southy on Mar 6, 2023 14:36:05 GMT -8
I'm sorry that Scooter is sick too. It must be terrible for you to go through this again. He does look quite unwell and probably in pain in that photo. I think something needs to be done for Scooter, whether it's surgery, medication (this isn't sufficient in all cases) or euthanasia. Each option costs money of course, but I think if you explain your situation to a vet, they may be willing to help with a payment plan or even reduced cost treatment, even if all they can offer is euthanasia. Nobody wants to leave an animal in pain. Mickey looked very uncomfortable towards the end of his life so if Scooter has the same thing, I'm sure you don't want him to suffer in the same way. Please keep us updated on what you decide. I know it can be hard sometimes balancing treatment decisions and finances but Scooter does need help. its ok i can afford SG surgery if thats what it is . taking them to the vet just stresses them out tho. and the surgery may be over a weeks wait. and then, because of what Mickeys looked like im not even sure if its SGT or sonething unknown. i dohave ivermectin, maybe if i take him to the vet they can administer it. idk how both of them got this, im afraid it was something i had them both come into contact with maybe that triggered the SG disease. i had a gerbil years ago who had a SGT but the bleeding and the hair loss wasnt that bad. i do wish i could save Scooters life because i wanted to introduce him to a girl gerb
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Mar 6, 2023 14:58:43 GMT -8
To be honest, I'm not sure whether SGT surgery is an option here because this doesn't seem to be a typical SGT. Given how far Mickey's disease spread, removing the scent gland wouldn't have fixed it. I also think Scooter may be too sick for surgery. It would be best to take him to a vet for a professional opinion and a discussion of all the options.
I think the stress caused by a vet visit will be much less than the distress Scooter is already feeling. He does look uncomfortable so at the very least he needs pain relief.
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Post by southy on Mar 13, 2023 17:46:13 GMT -8
To be honest, I'm not sure whether SGT surgery is an option here because this doesn't seem to be a typical SGT. Given how far Mickey's disease spread, removing the scent gland wouldn't have fixed it. I also think Scooter may be too sick for surgery. It would be best to take him to a vet for a professional opinion and a discussion of all the options. I think the stress caused by a vet visit will be much less than the distress Scooter is already feeling. He does look uncomfortable so at the very least he needs pain relief. Thanks. Havent taken him to the vet yet. I rubbed a little ivermectin on his sg and his neck with a qtip and noticed that his sg seemed less bleedy. Maybe this is a parasitic infection from that cabinet they both contacted? >_< Should i apply more ivermectin? Or maybe the vet can do it
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Post by Markpd on Mar 14, 2023 13:32:12 GMT -8
He really needs to see a vet I think.
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Post by LilyandDaisy on Mar 14, 2023 13:50:13 GMT -8
I agree with Markpd. He needs to see a vet. Even if this was originally a parasite infestation, because his scent gland is irritated and bleeding, it's beyond what ivermectin can help with.
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Post by southy on Apr 25, 2023 10:47:05 GMT -8
I agree with Markpd. He needs to see a vet. Even if this was originally a parasite infestation, because his scent gland is irritated and bleeding, it's beyond what ivermectin can help with. Unfortunately i think he is now too far gone. Scooter II now has a large tumor/swelling on one of his arms and below that. He is very wobbly and i think hes dying. I think that both he and Mickey were exposed to something which is my fault what ever it was. The other 2 who are a month older, are healthy... I think hes too sick to be saved by the vet. I will just wait for him to die 😔
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Post by Markpd on Apr 25, 2023 12:39:08 GMT -8
I really don't think it's fair on him to let him (or any gerbil) suffer and die slowly over many days or weeks, unless you think he's going to pass over night you should take him to the vets to be put to sleep asap. Tbh you ought to have taken him to the vet a month ago to get him looked at, even if it meant he was put to sleep then.
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Post by southy on Apr 25, 2023 14:33:38 GMT -8
I really don't think it's fair on him to let him (or any gerbil) suffer and die slowly over many days or weeks, unless you think he's going to pass over night you should take him to the vets to be put to sleep asap. Tbh you ought to have taken him to the vet a month ago to get him looked at, even if it meant he was put to sleep then. I understand but it is expensive to get such a short lived animal put under. I think he has maybe a few days left. I probably wont get any more gerbils after this for a while :/ ... Gave away 6 females from breeding them to some even less responsible/knowledgeable people (one brought a cardboard box to put them in and the other brought a rabbit crate thinking that gerbils were like guinea pigs...) I cant stand to hurt my babies any more. Sorry for not being a very good gerbilmom 😔
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Post by tanzanyte on Apr 26, 2023 0:11:02 GMT -8
It's difficult when you have the fear that something negative has happened at the vets already, but when you are thinking of ending their pain it is the best thing to do. I know you said previously that the operation cost wasn't an issue, although I appreciate that circumstances can change quite fast. Mark wasn't suggesting the cost of an operation, but to enable Scooter to die without pain, which is nowhere near the same cost as an operation.
We all start out doing things that aren't perhaps the best for our pets, but we learn and improve their experience (and our own). As long as you can do that and you have the pets best interests at heart, along with doing everything in your power to keep them from suffering, then you are doing the best you can. However, you have said yourself Scooter is suffering, and sometimes small animals can suffer for longer than we realise, which isn't fair on them and is heartbreaking to see. If you are able to get to any vets, it doesn't have to be the same one that you have had problems with, then I would urge you to do this to help Scooter so that he can end his life with dignity and not be in pain any more.
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Post by catnut on Apr 26, 2023 13:50:22 GMT -8
call afew vets in your area and see if they will put a gerbil for sleep for less money and explain your gerbil is suffering, i was able to find one that does this in my area( i can't have a vet assess them as usually the vet that sees small animals isn't there when i've had to have a gerbil put down but i was 100% sure there was nothing that could be done other than Put to sleep. Scooter doesn't look well at all and if you think he is suffering, the only thing to do is to have him Put down.
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Post by TJ's Rodent Ranch on Apr 26, 2023 19:14:55 GMT -8
Hello there.
I'm so sorry for what has happened to Scooter and Mickey. I know seeing them like that and not being able to do anything must be very hard, and I can imagine it would be even harder to make a decision such as putting Scooter to sleep. Unfortunately, because we don't know what this is, there's no predicting if your other gerbils, pets, or even you, are safe, and taking him to the vet in this later stage could possibly provide a few answers, as well as ease his pain and make his passing easier if they decide his condition is terminal. I know it's hard, but if he's suffering, it's the right thing to do. I don't think that you're a bad gerbil mom whatsoever. Everyone makes mistakes, some are preventable, and some are mistakes that weren't even made by you. Whoever you got these gerbils from could have made mistakes resulting in this that had nothing to do with you. Sure, you could have taken him to the vet a month ago, and in all truth it may have saved him, but that doesn't matter now. All you can do now is make sure that you're doing your best for the little guys, no matter whats going to happen to them.
I give my best regards to you and Scooter, and I hope that life treats you better. Don't be too hard on yourself, you did the best you could.
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Post by southy on Apr 27, 2023 15:45:44 GMT -8
Hello there. I'm so sorry for what has happened to Scooter and Mickey. I know seeing them like that and not being able to do anything must be very hard, and I can imagine it would be even harder to make a decision such as putting Scooter to sleep. Unfortunately, because we don't know what this is, there's no predicting if your other gerbils, pets, or even you, are safe, and taking him to the vet in this later stage could possibly provide a few answers, as well as ease his pain and make his passing easier if they decide his condition is terminal. I know it's hard, but if he's suffering, it's the right thing to do. I don't think that you're a bad gerbil mom whatsoever. Everyone makes mistakes, some are preventable, and some are mistakes that weren't even made by you. Whoever you got these gerbils from could have made mistakes resulting in this that had nothing to do with you. Sure, you could have taken him to the vet a month ago, and in all truth it may have saved him, but that doesn't matter now. All you can do now is make sure that you're doing your best for the little guys, no matter whats going to happen to them. I give my best regards to you and Scooter, and I hope that life treats you better. Don't be too hard on yourself, you did the best you could. Thanks. Well he has passed just today. It was rather quick. He was comfortable in his nest. The swelling only appeared about a week or 2 ago so he deteriorated quickly. I had thought I could treat the SG with ivermectin. He did have the same leaky SGT Mickey had but also quickly got a swelling in his side. Well I am the one who raised these gerbils. I took these 2 on some travels that I did not take the other 2 on. So Im afraid they caught something from the environment? Idk... I have to go bury him
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