What color ?

[peschanka]

Hello everybody
I have got pups from burmese female and red eyed white male.
Three of pups have got white coat whith some grey hair and some grey hair on tail. And black eyes.
What color are that pups ?

[sweetie]

Hey Pesch,

Are you able to get pictures online? You can read in the Announcement section on how to post pictures to the Forum.

Thanks.

[peschanka]

Than i will have photos of pups i put it here

[peschanka]

This is one pup ( male)

[moghedien]

You said three of the pups look like this. What are the colors of the other pups? (Might help in determining the color.)

And just to give it a guess, while I've never had pups this color, it could be colorpoint agouti or light colorpoint agouti. You'll be able to tell far better when they get old enough for the ticking to come in. Oh, and the color of their nails helps to determine the color too!

[j]

White ;D

[peschanka]

Nails are white, but isn't they young for coiloring nails. My black pups also have white nails.
I think pup isn't white ( his father is white and he has more light color without any grey hair)

[sandy2]

I think that is a light colourpoint agouti or a close variation.

So that tells you that one of your parents carries "A" dominant gene (the red eyed white male).

if father is AA c(h)c(h), then 100 % of the pups are light colourpoint agouti (assuming the mother does not have a p recessive gene).

But if he is Aa c(h)c(h), then 50 % are going to be Siamese. (same assumption as before)

If he is Aa c(h)c(chm) then 25% Burmese, 25% Siamese, 50% light colourpoint Agouti.

BUT if the mother also carries a recessive p gene, then you will have some red eyed white pups as well. And you do.

So you know your male is probably AA c(h)c(h)....pp and your female is aa c(chm)c(chm)... Pp. So at least you now have a good idea of their genes.

If you want siamese pups, you will need maybe a dove or a dark-tailed white male, that way you know he is aa.

[RyanF]

Looks like a black-eyed-white to me. ;D

[peschanka]

Thanks - ñïàñèáî ;D
Mother of white male is DTW.

[sandy2]

You know, if I was you, rather than looking for a dove or DTW male for your Burmese, I'd just keep one of her light colourpoint sons to back cross her with (if the current pair are unrelated). It should be ok to inbreed only one generation (because I know you said you brought your Burmese female from far away).

You know your current gerbils' genes are probably as follows:

Burmese female: aa c(chm)c(chm) ... Pp X
PEW male: AA c(h)c(h) ... pp
_______________________________

So all your light colourpoint pups are:

Aa c(chm)c(h)...Pp

so breeding a son with mom (burmese)

produces (assuming there are no other recessives present),

25% Pink Eyed White, 18.75% each of Siamese, Light Colourpoint Agouti, Colourpoint Agouti, and Burmese. There you have a lovely mix of colourpoint-type pups to work with. Lucky you!

[peschanka]

And if i breed colorpoint male with colorpoint female ?

[sandy2]

You mean breed your Llight Colourpoint pups together? You'd get 1/3 of the pups would be same as the parents. 1/4 would be white. 1/5 would be Dark Tailed White (that's a LOT of white and near white pups!). 14% would be Colourpoint Agouti, and of the last 15%, about 10% would be Burmese and only around 5% Siamese.

This would not be the way to go if you are looking for Siamese and Burmese pups. Plus, there would be a greater degree of inbreeding risk mating brother and sister than back to one parent.

[peschanka]

And with whom can i breed this pups if i want to get grey agouti ?

[sandy2]

Grey agouti is a gg colour, not a cc colour like colourpoint, burmese and siamese. You must find a grey agouti, slate, ivory cream or ruby eyed white and back breed if you want that series. I'm working on the same project!