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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 2, 2005 17:31:45 GMT -8
I was going to get ONE gerbil from the store (petstore critters need a nice home) and I found the one- he's BEAUTIFUL! But he had a friend! I couldn't leave his friend behind! I was going to breed my ONE new gerbil to one of my pups... but now I have TWO new gerbils, so which one do you guys think I should breed with one of my pups? Here's the guy that I chose to get... He looks a little bit like siamese coloring, but it's more of a grayish coloring. And here's his friend, whom I got out of sympathy! I think he's Lilac! Of course they're both boys, and I'd be breeding them with either a black female, or a black pied female... (when they're ready) I'm thinking maybe the all black one, just becaues Ritzie is pied. One of the two little girls is likely leaving to live with her older sister from the previous litter. What do you think? Unfortunately, both boys have reddish eyes. I'm not big on red eyes, but the one was just soooo pretty, and I couldn't leave the other one! I KNOW that you guys know what it's like! ;D
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Post by queenofthenile on Mar 3, 2005 6:55:37 GMT -8
I think the 1st boy is either a pied sapphire or a pied dove. It's really a game of risk to breed one of the black pups to him, because you don't know what either one carries.
Depending on whether the pup is a sapphire or a dove, and whether the black pup is CCb/CCh, you will get black for sure, and siamese, burmese or DTW. If the black female is Pp, you will also get lilac-types and PEWs. If you don't like red eyes, then that's not very good odds, especially since you already are producing black, siamese and burmese with the pair you already have.
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Post by pixytwinkle on Mar 3, 2005 8:09:45 GMT -8
they are both really cute ;D
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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 3, 2005 16:00:28 GMT -8
So do you mean that it's a risk as in 'who knows for sure what you'll get", or do you mean that it's a risk as in deaths? I'm sad that they both have red eyes, but the one was so pretty, and the other one is cute. Was I right thingking that the 2nd one is a Lilac? Now, if both of these males have red eyes, and Keebler &Ritzie are producing ALL dark eyed pups, then wouldn't it basically be a 50/50 chance of red eyes? I was going to just buy a white gerbil (even though the only ones I've seen have had red eyes, because I figured that if I used that one, and one of my dark eyed gerbils, then it would be close to a 50/50 chance... right?
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Post by sandy on Mar 3, 2005 19:37:50 GMT -8
I think both are Lilacs, and one is a very nicely heavily pied (or I'd say mottled) Lilac, at that! If you pair him up with your most heavily spotted black female pup you should have some extremely nice pups from them. Why don't you keep a nice male pup from your new pups to pair up with your other Lilac, so he won't be lonely when the time comes?
If there are no other recessives than the ones we can tell from the existing coat colours, you should get 2/3 pied and mottled black and lilac pups, and 1/3 non-spotted black and lilac pups.
If each mate carries matching hidden recessive genes (each carries e, or each carries g) then you could get nutmeg or slate pups. I don't see any lightening genes, but in black gerbils you can't tell. So you might get one lightening gene (c recessive) showing up in the pups as well, to make doves/sapphires.
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Post by queenofthenile on Mar 4, 2005 6:35:16 GMT -8
sandy, one of the parents of the black pups is a siamese, so the pups will have 50/50 chance of being either CCb or CCh. Ritzie, what I meant by a risk, was you really don't know what you will get. Is the one pup(pied) siginificantly lighter than the other pup (lilac). Sandy is right, it may just be a pied lilac with the spotting really diluting the colour. If it is, then you won't get any siamese or burmese. You may just get black from the pairing, or other colours if they carry any recessives.
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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 4, 2005 8:55:26 GMT -8
I don't have a lilac pup. The Lilac in the picture is the friend of the pied I got from the petstore. They're both male, I'd also guess they're both 3 or 4 months old. So the 2 picts of big gerbils are my 2 new ones, and the ones of the two girls that I might like to breed with one of my boys are only 2 weeks old. One girl is all black with a spot of white under her chin, and one white knuckle, and the other girl is a black pied. The lilac is male, and older. All my other pups from this litter are boys.
My new pied gerbil (who I just named Gizmo) is lighter than his lilac friend.
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Post by queenofthenile on Mar 5, 2005 6:49:37 GMT -8
Sorry, Ritzie, from you pics, the new guys look pretty young (ie: under 4 months), so I was just referring to them as pups. All the things I commented on before, still apply. I'm really not sure from your pictures whether or not Gizmo is lighter due to carrying Cb or Ch, or just due to lightening due to the spotting gene.
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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 6, 2005 22:35:27 GMT -8
Gizmo and Blitz (the lilac) are as big as Ritzie, and she's 6 months old this month. She hasn't grown since I got her at age 4 months (except in pregnant belly growth!) So I'm guessing that Blitz and Gizmo are about 4 months.... but we'll never know for sure. Do you think I should try to breed him with one of the pups in the picture, or maybe even with Ritzie? Also, the babies are doing great! The 1st litter didn't run around until their eyes were open, so I was super surprised to come home today and see little blind babies running all over the tank! ;D
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Post by queenofthenile on Mar 7, 2005 6:20:59 GMT -8
If you are really adverse to red-eyed gerbils, then I wouldn't breed them, because you may get more lilacs/doves. You may also get just black if you breed him with a black pup. The choice is really up to you, however. Would you have enough homes for all the babies?
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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 7, 2005 16:03:43 GMT -8
I'm fully prepared to keep a bunch of Gerbils. I've got the money for it, and , for now, the space. I"m moving soon, and will have more space. I also have a lot of connections with FFA kids, and I've already got several people who want them. PLUS, since I'm only giving/selling in pairs (same sex, of course) it makes them go a lot quicker. I have plans on on ly keeping pups if they're just too beautiful to pass on, but when my sources start to slow down, I'll split up the pairs, and keep any "left overs." I love them all! ;D Funny how you can get so attached to a "RODENT"! ;D ah, I love the little guys!
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Post by sandy on Mar 8, 2005 19:46:14 GMT -8
"I'll only keep the beautiful ones" famous last words, right, everyone?
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Post by RitzieAnn on Mar 8, 2005 22:55:36 GMT -8
;D LOL! I'm grinning from ear to ear! I know that they're FAMOUS last words, but so far it's worked! Out of the 3 that lived from my 1st litter, I have none, and I have 3 people who are interested in the new pups already! SO far it's working out that I only keep outstanding ones... but that could change at any moment, I know! But I do have lots of interest from other people about the pups!
Hey, how many do you gals have?? I've got Ritzie, Keebler, Gizmo, Blitz, and the 6 pups (who are opening their eyes!!)
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Post by queenofthenile on Mar 9, 2005 6:37:13 GMT -8
I have 9 gerbils, but no babies. I stopped breeding about a year ago.
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Post by sweetie on Mar 9, 2005 9:25:22 GMT -8
AHHHAHAHAHA HAHA AH HAHAHA HA
I started with 2 now have 8 adults and want to keep 2 pups!!!
It never ends. They keep multiplying wether I breed or not much to my husbands dismay!!
Seriously, I can't even think about adopting out my beautiful little CP Nutmeg. The shame of it!
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